trade?

young man my boy went to school with years ago stooped by to visit a couple days ago.Known him all his life and he stops by now and again .Anyway we got to talking tractors,and he allowed as how he needed a smaller (size) tractor for his garden.Just has two acres or so and he plants a fair size garden,but he's mostly in the trees so he doesnt have much room to manuver.Any way i have a old 8n that needs some work,and he has a "H" farmall that he says works good.maybe needs tires.he wants to go to three point equipment,i have a ton of old drag type equipment,around and quite honestly use that behind a n just about as much as anything.I know the hp is about the same,but honestly is there much difference in pulling power with the h over a "N" ford? trade would be straight across,i would throw in a old worn out plow ,and he would throw in a set of wheel weights for the h.fairly comparable as far as dollars go i think.Any opinions?what size implements do you use with a "H".will it do ok with a 2-14 plow and a 8ft disc?i dont want to take advantage of anyone here and the last farmall i had any dealings with was a 36 model f-20! any thing to look for on the h as far as weak spots?

The H should have a little more power than the 8N.Sounds like a fair deal to me.If you're both happy and get what you want,then nobody gets screwed.Dollar "values" really dont matter here.If you need a 3point at a later date,get a 'Saginaw"or similar.Go for it!

(quoted from post at 07:57:42 02/14/12) young man my boy went to school with years ago stooped by to visit a couple days ago.Known him all his life and he stops by now and again .Anyway we got to talking tractors,and he allowed as how he needed a smaller (size) tractor for his garden.Just has two acres or so and he plants a fair size garden,but he's mostly in the trees so he doesnt have much room to manuver.Any way i have a old 8n that needs some work,and he has a "H" farmall that he says works good.maybe needs tires.he wants to go to three point equipment,i have a ton of old drag type equipment,around and quite honestly use that behind a n just about as much as anything.I know the hp is about the same,but honestly is there much difference in pulling power with the h over a "N" ford? trade would be straight across,i would throw in a old worn out plow ,and he would throw in a set of wheel weights for the h.fairly comparable as far as dollars go i think.Any opinions?what size implements do you use with a "H".will it do ok with a 2-14 plow and a 8ft disc?i dont want to take advantage of anyone here and the last farmall i had any dealings with was a 36 model f-20! any thing to look for on the h as far as weak spots?

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A Farmall H and a 2-14s plow are a perfect match. I've got nothing against the Ford Ns, but you will soon learn that anything the Ford could do, the Farmall will do much better. Basically because of the heavier weight and the much larger rear tires.

If I were you I would take the trade! My father has a 8n and its a great little tractor, as is my H, however I'd take my H over the 8n any day! You wont regret it.

Pretty even IMO. The 8ns have more value here because the horse people like them because of the 3 pt.

In my area of Missouri you can sell 8N fords all day long but a Farmall H is a dime a dozen tractor and it seems no one wants them. I have had 4 for sale forever and no one wants them. In this area top dollar for an H is $1000 but an 9N will sell for twice that plus. Of course things like tires how well they run etc come into play. If it where me I would not trade straight across but then I do have 4 Hs

I wouldnt even consider it if it werent for a friend. I have 4 "Ns" and like you say i could sell them all,but I told him we would look them over when it warmed up a little.he also has a "M" but i think it has engine problems.thanks for the repies guys!hes got another h for a prts tractor maybe that will sweeten the deal!LOL

In my experience an H has more lugging power when pulling something heavy, and also more traction with the big wheels. Depending what you are doing it may or may not be handier. I much prefer my H to my Massey 35 or the neighbor's 8N for skidding logs or baling hay, or plowing snow, for instance.
Zach

The ford, 2-8-9n, are strong little tractors but hell to keep running, and the hydraulics suck on them. I"d trade 3 of them for 1 Farmall.

With trailing implements, a good H will run circles around an N-series Ford any day.

General wear and tear is the only "weak spot" that an H would have. Look it over good. Give it a workout in the field. Watch for smoke. Listen for creaks, pops, and groans that may indicate bearing problems in the rear end.

When someone comes to you proposing a trade, they usually feel they're getting the better end of the deal. Be sure he's not trying to pawn off a basket case on you.

You would DEFINITELY come out on top.

SF

Yep each one has its place but $ for $ the N series ford will bring almost twice what an H will. I have 4 Hs and have not started any of them in over a year due to having not real need for any of them

The only advantage of the 8N is the three point. Pulling power? The 8N is more similar to a C than an H. I used the same trailing implements on an 8N and an H in the 50's. The H will walk all over it. The 8N is too light and the gears are too fast. I would take an H or a C with aftermarket 3 points any day over an 8N.

The H will pull an 8 foot tandem disk, but not very deep. We used a 6 foot tandem disk, heavily weighted to break up clods and prepare land for vegetables. The H would pull it in 3rd with the tandem disk at full angle. The 8N would pull it in 2nd (2nd is as fast as third in the H) at about half angle. This means that the 8N would require more trips over the field.

Kinda funny how we a re talkin about the top 2 sellers of their time???

If the H had an aftermarket 3 point,it would be in every way superior,except one.If you are mowing an orchard,or mowing with alot of low branch trees around.The 8N wins it there.

On my place,I have to keep everything trimmed up high to keep me from getting knocked off my Farmall,but it is worth it !!!!

Right, but he said that he didn't have 3 point equipment, rather, the pull type that the H uses.

SF

I think you will come out on top with the H.

The 8n is a flat head, H is overhead valves.
The 8n is around 20 hp, IH C is around 20 hp and I think the H is around 30 hp, which is about what the NAA ford is. The NAA was ford's first attempt at overhead valve.

I think the 8n has the hydraulic pump inside the rear end, is a vane pump, and it only works when the PTO is spinning. You would know this because you have an 8N. Neither the 8N and IHC have live PTO. The NAA ford had a vane pump, but it was attached directly to the motor, so it was live hydraulics. My IH C is live hydraulics and I think the H is also.

I've had to rebuild the hydraulics on my NAA, pump and lift cover, BPIA. It is very pricey if you can't rebuilt the pump yourself. Haven't had the first problem with my IH C hydraulic, with the exception of a little oil drip from the lift box. Nothing I'm going to get upset over. Go to the ford or ford N series sight and it seems you will find many people with hydraulic problems, more than you will here.

Love the ride of my IH C over the ride on my NAA. Can't beat the big seat and big spring. Only bought the NAA for the 3-pt. If I had it to do over, I would look for a 600 or 700 series ford with a live PTO and external hyd.

Farmall experimented with the 2 pt hitch, but I don't think you'll find that many attachments for the 2 pt. When I was looking for add on 3 pts for my IH C they were very pricey. I put a 6 ft woods belly mower on my IH C and a heavy hitch to pull a trailer with. Don't have any other attachments for it. Besides, I wouldn't want to remove the belly mower.

I would dump the 8N in a heart beat and feel sorry for your friend.

That's my $.02 worth.
George

Not to nit pick, but the H has about 24 H.P. It may or may not have live power. The belly pump is not a live pump, however if it has a pump run by the governor it is live power then.

You are right 24 hp, 26 hp pulley. In a pulling contest, my money is on the H in first gear.

I know,I am just saying the 3 point makes it better for general use. With all of the 3 point equipment available today,some of it different than was available 30+ years ago,I would want the ability to utilize it.

I know a lot of guys have several different tractors to cover different farming operations,dedicated loader tractors,ect,but,like me,if you are a SMALL operation and have only 1 tractor to use for general use,it out to have a 3 point

(quoted from post at 13:53:31 02/14/12) You would DEFINITELY come out on top.

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Not if he's trading for a tractor with major problems.

If he trades a good N-series for an H that needs an overhaul, transmission work, and tires just to get it moving under its own power, that's a bad trade.

I have seen too many people bitten, and been bitten myself on a couple of trades, to be very trusting in someone offering up a trade like this. They are usually trying to trade away their problems.

You know this kid, right, but how often has he been around recently? You knew him when he went to school with your kid, but you probably haven't seen hide nor hair of him in a long while. Now he shows up out of the blue with this trade???

Sorry, society is too messed up right now, with everyone trying to screw everyone else over, and thinking nothing of it, feeling no guilt. You can't trust anyone these days.

The H tested at 24 HP drawbar and tips the scales at 3875 lbs.

The N tested at 21 HP drawbar and is 2410 lbs.

While I would give 2 cents (cause the scrapper will pay a lot more) for an H I turned one down, wide front, live hydraulics, after market 3 point and loader for 1500 just last month in overall good shape. Included a set of chains too. Reason is that it just don't fit my needs. My N fits a nitch here on the farm just fine but the H is too tall for some of the things I need. The H was a great tractor but unless you have the implements it's about worthless today for most farming apps without a 3 point. I'd trade my N in a heatbeat for a slightly bigger utility tractor with more HP.

Rick

Jack,In my opinon the H is a stronger tractor,the N is a lot handier,Both are equal value,If the conditions are equal,then its your choise,and Im sure your wanting to help this boy out and you probally have a burning interest in Farmalls.You already have pull behind equipment.Maybe with a trade off there should be a trial period of a couple months to help protect each others intrest,in writing

jimmy

I agree. In my opinion, a 1 point fast hitch is easier for me than a 3 point since I have all the equipment already. If I had to buy implements, however, a 3 point would be easier (since fast hitch implements are fairly hard to come by). This would probably be the case with Jackinok and drag equipment.

SF

I actually have both 3 point and drag type equipment,ive been doing this stuff since humans first turned dirt i think!LOL I'm just not familiar with a farmall.like i say our last one was a 36 model.around here unless you ran a john deere,or a case you had to drive fifty miles to find a part.I switched to all fords when the jd dealer sold out to a complete idiot,and have pretty much retired from farming at all now.I sold all my big stuff and just keep these "n" tractors around for chores and the about twenty acres i still farm for wildlife and stuff.I think I may trade,depending on how his h runs. Looked good the last i saw it but thats been a while. I see this kid most every day one place or another,he pretty much grew up at our house.But i wont let him get to me too bad!LOL since Im more or less tinkering anyway these days i thought i would show the kids and grandkids how some of this old junk worked.some of this old smaller drag type stuff hasnt moved in i know 30 years or more, might have to get a backhoe to did it out of the blow sand!

(quoted from post at 10:45:09 02/15/12) I actually have both 3 point and drag type equipment,ive been doing this stuff since humans first turned dirt i think!LOL I'm just not familiar with a farmall.like i say our last one was a 36 model.around here unless you ran a john deere,or a case you had to drive fifty miles to find a part.I switched to all fords when the jd dealer sold out to a complete idiot,and have pretty much retired from farming at all now.I sold all my big stuff and just keep these "n" tractors around for chores and the about twenty acres i still farm for wildlife and stuff.I think I may trade,depending on how his h runs. Looked good the last i saw it but thats been a while. I see this kid most every day one place or another,he pretty much grew up at our house.But i wont let him get to me too bad!LOL since Im more or less tinkering anyway these days i thought i would show the kids and grandkids how some of this old junk worked.some of this old smaller drag type stuff hasnt moved in i know 30 years or more, might have to get a backhoe to did it out of the blow sand!

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A Farmall H is a HUGE improvement over the previous F series tractors. Different as night and day. I can ride an H all day, but can't set on an F20 long enough to say I even drove it.