Craig Tenhoff
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What to expect? Are there parts vendors at this convention?
Hunting for wheel weights for my C if anyone is going.
Thanks
Hunting for wheel weights for my C if anyone is going.
Thanks
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rustyfarmall
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And if you don't care about originality, the split weights used right up to the last of the IH tractors will fit just fine.
Don R of MN
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And to answer your question, yes there is a few parts vendors at the convention. I can never figure out why people respond to question with every thing but an answer to the question you asked.
Because there is no sense in going to a national show and paying outragous prices for something you could get next door. Not to mention it is an indoor show and it is mostly smaller table setups rather than trailers full of crap. Not nearly as likely to find wheel weights at national convention as your are to find them at RPRU or any other outdoor show.
rustyfarmall
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Exactly!!
Craig Tenhoff
Member
Dad and I booked two nights mostly just going to look around. But have never been to the winter show. Went to the Show in June. Had a great time.Thanks for the info.
Great forum too.
Great forum too.
I have a pr of the wgts that are now 4. I cut them in half w/a cement saw. 70# is easier than 140# each. If I had this request 2-weeks ago we could probably arranged for someone coming your way that attended our 4-weeks of super pulls here in Florida. I need a pr of front-end frame wgts for my SC and would trade even up. I have no idea the cost to ship but probably prohibiting.
rustyfarmall
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I think it is the idiot scrap iron buyers that are driving the price up. I don't think they realize that $100 for a set of weights that weigh just 300 pounds isn't going to pencil out at the scrap yard. :lol: :lol:
Brian Schmidt
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I bought 10 pair when I paid $12 each. This was in about 1992. Funny thing was there were pallets of them. And there were several other bidders besides me. I won the first round. By the end, they were down to getting $7 each.
I remember the year because I had them in the back of my S-10. Coming home from the sale, she was ridding pretty low in the back.
I remember the year because I had them in the back of my S-10. Coming home from the sale, she was ridding pretty low in the back.
It all pencils out in the end. Scrap iron buyers are the middle man, that's why they can drive the price up. If we take something to junk yard were being paid the current rate, then the scrap yards sells it off to the smelter which there paid a higher price. It works the same way as these places that buy gold and silver. Because my father-in-law has a coin shop, he buys gold & silver then takes it to the smelter.
rustyfarmall
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It takes 6 full sets (12 weights) to equal a ton. A ton of scrap iron will net you $200 at the scrap yard. If you PAID $100 per set, it would cost you $600 to get enough of them to equal a ton. Now tell me how THAT is going to pencil out?
gene bender
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Those dont fit the C
gene bender
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That building is huge and i know of several vendors that will be there so your chances of finding them is great.
Tom Fleming
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Well, I am going to the winter convention. Main reason is for the vendor's / parts peddler's. Yeah, I want to see some of the other things too, but mainly for parts and the auction. I have attended each of the last 4 winter conventions, and have been able to score parts that I have not seen locally or or ebay.
I don't need any more wheel weights, but when I was buying them, they were around $75 - $100 a set. If I needed them, I would not hesitate to plan on buying them at the convention. What has driven up the cost of wheel weights are the pullers. they want them, and if they are in the pulling business, they ususally have enough $$$ to pay that for weights.
Some people are "driven" by their wallets, and other's are driven by their "I gotta have it". Frankly, I am in the middle. I just paid $140 (with shipping) for the rear axle wrench for an F-30. IHC and part number marked. Is that too much for a wrench? You be the judge. My max bid was $150. Not sure it is worth that much, but I have been looking for 3 years for one, and was what my "play money" would allow me to bid.
To each his own.
I don't need any more wheel weights, but when I was buying them, they were around $75 - $100 a set. If I needed them, I would not hesitate to plan on buying them at the convention. What has driven up the cost of wheel weights are the pullers. they want them, and if they are in the pulling business, they ususally have enough $$$ to pay that for weights.
Some people are "driven" by their wallets, and other's are driven by their "I gotta have it". Frankly, I am in the middle. I just paid $140 (with shipping) for the rear axle wrench for an F-30. IHC and part number marked. Is that too much for a wrench? You be the judge. My max bid was $150. Not sure it is worth that much, but I have been looking for 3 years for one, and was what my "play money" would allow me to bid.
To each his own.
Tom, you are looking for oddball F series parts that are rarely found anywhere. Here in WI you would be lucky to find an F series at a junkyard and extra lucky to find a less common/rare part.
My point was you can find them closer and cheaper than at the convention. I will pay the difference if you can't. My edit - I was also saying I wouldn't make a point to go to the convention just to buy wheel weights. On the other hand, it would probably be worth it when looking for NOS WD-9 engine parts and Heisler OD for an F-20.
Tractor pullers probably don't have much to do with the price of wheel weights. They actually don't like wheel weights. To start with they are really heavy to take on and off several times per day. They are also not ideal for power transfer. Their location is good, but they do create rolling resistance and that is bad especially for high speed/hp machines. I would agree that tractor pullers have driven up the price of 75# and 100# IH suitcase weights, but don't have much effect on wheel weights.
My point was you can find them closer and cheaper than at the convention. I will pay the difference if you can't. My edit - I was also saying I wouldn't make a point to go to the convention just to buy wheel weights. On the other hand, it would probably be worth it when looking for NOS WD-9 engine parts and Heisler OD for an F-20.
Tractor pullers probably don't have much to do with the price of wheel weights. They actually don't like wheel weights. To start with they are really heavy to take on and off several times per day. They are also not ideal for power transfer. Their location is good, but they do create rolling resistance and that is bad especially for high speed/hp machines. I would agree that tractor pullers have driven up the price of 75# and 100# IH suitcase weights, but don't have much effect on wheel weights.
Heavy cast pays considerably more at local scrapyards than a scrap tractor, implement, or car. They get more for it when they haul it away, too. Especially in those split-rear weight sizes and smaller. If you would have 5+tons, they might pay a little more yet.
That doesn't mean you or I can scrap weights at those prices and make money. A yard might be able to pencil it out and then some, the average guy can't.
Alot of scrapyard owners or their employees are also going to more and more farm auctions now. That's why a 2-bottom plow will bring $25-50 or more over "scrap price" if the yard owner/employee is buying/bidding on it. At those prices, they're still making money. They'll never pay you or I that extra $50 even if we haul it in to them. They'll never pay you or I $600/ton for wheel weights, either, but they can make money paying that or close to that, especially if they come up with a semi-load of them.
AG
Tom Fleming
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Namesake, yeah, I would tend to agree with your points, that they usually can be had at the same price or cheaper "locally". Make a special trip to the winter convention ONLY for wheel weights? Depends upon whether or not you live 15 mins away or 15 hours.
I can't make educated comments about the puller's other than I live very close to Burgh's equipment. Owner told me that as quick as the wheel weights come in , the local puller's buy him out. good, bad, or indifferent, just commenting on what goes on in my area.
here is a link to a picture of one of the largest local shows/pulls....you tell me if the puller's don't like stock wheel weights:
And here is a green one:
and one last red one:
I can't make educated comments about the puller's other than I live very close to Burgh's equipment. Owner told me that as quick as the wheel weights come in , the local puller's buy him out. good, bad, or indifferent, just commenting on what goes on in my area.
here is a link to a picture of one of the largest local shows/pulls....you tell me if the puller's don't like stock wheel weights:
And here is a green one:
and one last red one:
Judging from the last two I went to, "heavy" parts like weights, housings, engines, etc. aren't commonly found for sale at the winter conventions, unless you make a request with a vendor beforehand to bring something. At least one guy had some rear weights last year, but most were spoken for IIRC. If they do have them, you'll probably have to ask, they'll might be outside on/in their trailer. There will probably be lots of NOS goodies, used parts, aftermarket/reproduction parts, collectibles, manuals, literature, clothing/hats, that kind of stuff.
Better bet, make a wanted request on the classifieds here, and say you're going to the convention. Lots of guys will meet up and do some horse trading in the parking lot.
AG
Jim Becker
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Maybe they are like the used car salesmen. They loose money on every sale but make up for it with volume.
rustyfarmall
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Jim, I think you just laid wide open the MINDSET (or lack of a mind) of the scrappers. :lol: :lol:
Make a margin and move it. Don't let it hang around enough for whiners and moaners to try and get it out from under you for nothing. Seems like the scrappers have a good business plan to me. It just ticks some people off that their goldmine of cheap used parts, tractors, and antique equipment are gone. I don't like it either, but that's the reality of it. Pony up and pay, or watch it go away.
I got $400 a ton for just over a ton of used cast iron and cast steel plow shares last summer. Most were shot, and a few were like new and had alot of use left, but were not popular parts and had sat here a decade too long. I didn't seperate steel from iron. With no tires, no fluids, and no glass I got no BS. $220/ton was the payout for vehicles, tractors, etc. at the time. I'm sure they made money off of them, too. I wonder what a person could have got from them at the time for 20 tons of rear weights? Probably better than $500/ton. They would have made money on those, too.
Rear wheel weights at around $80 a pair give or take a few bucks sounds about right to me. The days of $40/pr. are long gone here. If it's something usable and functional, it's worth more than scrap price, if it isn't, it's worth what it weighs.
$1/lb price for IH suitcase weights is mostly driven by collectors and pullers, and not scrap prices. Even though IH rear weights generally sell for well under $1/lb., collectors and pullers don't let those get given away, either.
AG
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