jim warehime
Member
What style tires would go on a little genius plow? Traction
impliment or a 3 rib tire? Thanks.
impliment or a 3 rib tire? Thanks.
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earlschieb
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In my opinon, Land Side, a traction type tire, furrow side, a 3 rib or whatever.
mike1972chev
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Yea,the land tire ought to be a "chevron V " style tire(like your tractor rear) if it is mechanical lift,NOT hydraulic lift. ALSO,that tire mounts BACKWARDS than the tractors does as to gain traction when engaging lift.
Jim,
From what I have learned about tires on #8 plows I learned from the late, great Hugh MacKay. Those who knew him would agree that he was the foremost authority on old plows.
He told me most #8s before WWII were on steel. For several years after WWII you could order plows with wheels for either steel or rubber. Problem was new rubber tires were very hard to get, even for autos, trucks, etc. Result was when you ordered wheels for tires, and when the plow arrived at the dealership the dealer would ask you to bring in 2 used auto tires or he would install 2 used tires if he had them.
That is why thru the years you see so many old plows with a mishmash of tire types and sizes.
There really isn't any "style" of tires for #8
plows....just go with what you think is best.
If your plow is set with spring tension to assist lowering and raising, you shouldn't need a special traction tire.
Go with what you think looks best. When you are plowing and you see the soil turning over so nice and smoothly that is what will make you smile. Hope you enjoy your plow as much as I do!
LA in WI
From what I have learned about tires on #8 plows I learned from the late, great Hugh MacKay. Those who knew him would agree that he was the foremost authority on old plows.
He told me most #8s before WWII were on steel. For several years after WWII you could order plows with wheels for either steel or rubber. Problem was new rubber tires were very hard to get, even for autos, trucks, etc. Result was when you ordered wheels for tires, and when the plow arrived at the dealership the dealer would ask you to bring in 2 used auto tires or he would install 2 used tires if he had them.
That is why thru the years you see so many old plows with a mishmash of tire types and sizes.
There really isn't any "style" of tires for #8
plows....just go with what you think is best.
If your plow is set with spring tension to assist lowering and raising, you shouldn't need a special traction tire.
Go with what you think looks best. When you are plowing and you see the soil turning over so nice and smoothly that is what will make you smile. Hope you enjoy your plow as much as I do!
LA in WI
Ellis Kinney
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Mike is correct. The land tire should be chevron V style mounted backwards. I have a John Deere model # 4B and my owners manual shows this exact setup. I am not sure about the furrow tire because I have never seen any old pictures showing that side. I bought two chevron V style tires and mounted both backwards just because they look good. Ellis
jim warehime
Member
Im not planning on useing the plow just restoreing it to go with my h. Might get a 3 bottom to pull behind the md to play with.
I learned to plow with a 2 bottom #8 back in the early fifties. It had firestone rib implement tires on both fronts. Worked pretty well unless the ground was slick or there was a big dew on the grass. We plowed and planted corn on sod then. Have had to wait until the dew dried a few times or the lift wheel would slide. A traction type tire would have worked better. Joe
Nebraska Cowman
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I'd tend to agree with that. I always thought the reason they used 16 in rims is because that was the most common size auto tire in those days.
SadFarmall
Member
I have a five disc plough which has had its steel wheels changed to rubber. I found the steel wheels still in a shed. As soon as the tyres die I'll put the steels back on. The rubber was only good for travelling on the road anyway and steel wheels don't go flat.
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mike1972chev
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That is very true LA in WI. They used what ever tires were available.You could get your IH rims in either 15" or 16" .Probably made it a little easier to find SOME kind of tires to mount????(broadened the prospects. 
But a good traction tire on the land wheel helps the mechanical lift plows in NOT so good,wet conditions.Even the spring assisted lifts it helps with(from what I hear)
But a good traction tire on the land wheel helps the mechanical lift plows in NOT so good,wet conditions.Even the spring assisted lifts it helps with(from what I hear)Mike1972chev,
I remember the years after the war and car stuff (born in '37). As I recall, nearly every car had 16" wheels in those days; then in mid-50s I think it was when 15" became popular in trying to make cars lower. I think they even went to 14" about 1960 or so....I may be wrong on the years...when car makers made cars as low and wide as possible. Pontiac "Wide Trac" looked wider than semi trucks!
I haven't seen an #8 with 15", but I'm sure they are "out there".
I've always said "Don't worry about the "correct police", just mount 'em on and get plowing!
LA in WI
PS Blatant commercial: I have videos of our fall plow day with 40 tractors at work. Profits go to charities...$10.00, ship free.
I remember the years after the war and car stuff (born in '37). As I recall, nearly every car had 16" wheels in those days; then in mid-50s I think it was when 15" became popular in trying to make cars lower. I think they even went to 14" about 1960 or so....I may be wrong on the years...when car makers made cars as low and wide as possible. Pontiac "Wide Trac" looked wider than semi trucks!
I haven't seen an #8 with 15", but I'm sure they are "out there".
I've always said "Don't worry about the "correct police", just mount 'em on and get plowing!
LA in WI
PS Blatant commercial: I have videos of our fall plow day with 40 tractors at work. Profits go to charities...$10.00, ship free.
LA in WI,
I think you said it all. I'm old enough to remember my Dad plowing with a #8 Little Genius and his '46 M. This would have been in the 1950's. He had an old snow tire on the lift wheel side and an old steering tire on the other side. Dad bought this tractor & plow new after he came home from WWII. I'll bet ya anything he just took some old tires to the dealer to mount on the plow when it came in. Like you said, tires were hard to come by at that time and my Dad, like most farmers of that era, was a very frugal and conservative man. They got the most out of whatever they had.
I think you said it all. I'm old enough to remember my Dad plowing with a #8 Little Genius and his '46 M. This would have been in the 1950's. He had an old snow tire on the lift wheel side and an old steering tire on the other side. Dad bought this tractor & plow new after he came home from WWII. I'll bet ya anything he just took some old tires to the dealer to mount on the plow when it came in. Like you said, tires were hard to come by at that time and my Dad, like most farmers of that era, was a very frugal and conservative man. They got the most out of whatever they had.
mike1972chev
Well-known Member
I remember seeing trailer plows as kid with white wall car tires on them !!!! I used to think: "How fancy!!" lol
mike1972chev
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I am not sure about 15" rims on a #8 plow????(Maybee someone will comment on this ???) I know you could get either 15" or 16" on my #16 plow.It mentions this in my plow manual I have.
I should have put those white wall tires on it when I recenly got tires !!!! Darn! lol(missed opportunitys)
I should have put those white wall tires on it when I recenly got tires !!!! Darn! lol(missed opportunitys)
Mike,
By the time the #16 plow was built, the auto world had created the "new normal" of 15" wheels so I'm guessing many ag wheels followed that trend, maybe even on all machinery?
I've never studied it, but most likely wagon running gears, small spreaders, etc of the late '40s used 16" wheels and then went to 15" in the late '50s??? I think some of those machines were small enuf for auto-type wheels...maybe? Balers and heavier spreaders by then probably had much heavier wheels? Would be interesting to see if that part of ag also followed the auto world. People far more intelligent than I on this subject might want to add info on this. I never paid attention when I was young...I just hooked on and opened the throttle!
My #8 tires are whitewalls (on the inside). I don't like that, but they don't look white as long as I resist the urge to clean them up with a Brillo pad!
Four inches of snow and 18F in Central Wis this morning, back to our old normal.
LA in WI
By the time the #16 plow was built, the auto world had created the "new normal" of 15" wheels so I'm guessing many ag wheels followed that trend, maybe even on all machinery?
I've never studied it, but most likely wagon running gears, small spreaders, etc of the late '40s used 16" wheels and then went to 15" in the late '50s??? I think some of those machines were small enuf for auto-type wheels...maybe? Balers and heavier spreaders by then probably had much heavier wheels? Would be interesting to see if that part of ag also followed the auto world. People far more intelligent than I on this subject might want to add info on this. I never paid attention when I was young...I just hooked on and opened the throttle!
My #8 tires are whitewalls (on the inside). I don't like that, but they don't look white as long as I resist the urge to clean them up with a Brillo pad!
Four inches of snow and 18F in Central Wis this morning, back to our old normal.
LA in WI
Jim,
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I have some info you might appreciate.
LA in WI
If you would like, email me at [email protected].
I have some info you might appreciate.
LA in WI
IHCPloughman
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To answer the original question, anything will do. I like to find bias ply tires so that they look period correct. I try to put a snow tire on the land wheel but the reality is the snow tire doesn't bite in any better than a smooth implement or car tire. You need an implement traction tire to really bite, or use tire chains. I agree you don't need that stuff most of the time, however, when you do need it and you don't have the right equpiment is when you'll be the most frustrated.
Anyway, rubber tires were available as early as 1939. If you have ever seen an IH plow with rubber tires and the wheels have seperate cast centers, I think that's what was available in 1939. But, the parts book does not illustrate these wheels, so I am only guessing. Advertising literature from 1939 shows these wheels, so I think its a safe assumption.
According to PO-4A, the 16" pressed steel wheel was used 1941 to 1956, and the 15" wheel was used introduced in 1950. I see 15" wheels quite often on 50's vintage #8's.
Anyway, rubber tires were available as early as 1939. If you have ever seen an IH plow with rubber tires and the wheels have seperate cast centers, I think that's what was available in 1939. But, the parts book does not illustrate these wheels, so I am only guessing. Advertising literature from 1939 shows these wheels, so I think its a safe assumption.
According to PO-4A, the 16" pressed steel wheel was used 1941 to 1956, and the 15" wheel was used introduced in 1950. I see 15" wheels quite often on 50's vintage #8's.
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