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mike1972chev
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I can tell you it was the SECOND biggest seller behind your beloved 8Ns "FORD GUY" (lol kidding.)
There were also around/over 400,000 of them made.
Although,I dont think it is MUCH more than your C you own.Just "one notch" better.
Not a very BIG notch for me to have it over your C. (MY opinion.)
There were also around/over 400,000 of them made.
Although,I dont think it is MUCH more than your C you own.Just "one notch" better.
Not a very BIG notch for me to have it over your C. (MY opinion.)
About 7 more HP and 1000 more pounds than your C. 152 cu in engine vs 113 in your C. 5 speed transmissionvs 4. 38" rear and 16" fronts vs 36 and 15. Will pull many implements in 3rd gear when your C will need 2nd, or else pull somewhat larger implements. Longer wheelbase so it is a little less manueverable. 390000+ produced, replaced by the Super H/300/350. Next to the biggest row crop tractor built by IH at the time. Standard or "wheatland" version was the W4. Does not have live hydraulics from the factory. Serves same purpose as the C but with more weight and power.
actually I'm not a fan of the N series. My interest pics up with the 55-64 models. 
Only thing I know about an H is I had to mow a couple ac with one.. maybee 15 ys ago. I almost bought it after that. it was a 49h that I remmebr.. had a woods belly mower on it.
I waited too long and someone else got it.... can't remember much about it.
had a pulley on the pto for the mower.. no rear lift.. etc..
what's the op platform / controls like?
hp?
anythin i need to look for if I stop to smell it?
what's the value on an H?
PS..
I love that C.. was out dragging the pasture this am.. was nice bumping along in 4th bustin clods.
nice throaty pipe and all. was a bit brisk this am.. glad not much wind...
Only thing I know about an H is I had to mow a couple ac with one.. maybee 15 ys ago. I almost bought it after that. it was a 49h that I remmebr.. had a woods belly mower on it.
I waited too long and someone else got it.... can't remember much about it.
had a pulley on the pto for the mower.. no rear lift.. etc..
what's the op platform / controls like?
hp?
anythin i need to look for if I stop to smell it?
what's the value on an H?
PS..
I love that C.. was out dragging the pasture this am.. was nice bumping along in 4th bustin clods.
nice throaty pipe and all. was a bit brisk this am.. glad not much wind...
WV Farmall
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I have both a C & H, restored both. I use the C mostly for parades. To me the H is more comfortable to use if you are going to be on it for any time. More horsepower and another gear on the H makes a difference. I enjoy them both but the H is my favorite.
mike1972chev
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Besides My Super M ,a 1955 ford 600 is the only other tractor I own.(If you remember seeing it on here?
The H was a very popular tractor when it was built. There was a reason for that. There are still a lot of them working today. It is not the most convenient tractor ever built due to the lack of live hydraulics and PTO, but people that have them love them.
The operator station on an H is much roomier in than a Super C. It can be rebuilt to have a lot more guts than a C or SC without over stressing the basic design (SH cam, higher compression head, 3 sets of wheel weights). Add a three point hitch and it will do just about anything within reason.
A decent H with good tires will run you $1500.
what are you waiting for ?
Greg
The operator station on an H is much roomier in than a Super C. It can be rebuilt to have a lot more guts than a C or SC without over stressing the basic design (SH cam, higher compression head, 3 sets of wheel weights). Add a three point hitch and it will do just about anything within reason.
A decent H with good tires will run you $1500.
what are you waiting for ?
Greg
Zachary Hoyt
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I have an H and really love it. For me it is the perfect all-around tractor since I can't afford to have a bunch. I use it in the winter to plow snow, in the spring to haul firewood, in the summer to pull a 9' haybine and a baler and all year round to skid logs for our sawmill. The other tractor is a Massey 35 which basically only gets used for 3 point hitch implements and loader work since it has interchangeable bucket and forks. The H only has a plow blade on the loader, the bucket was long gone when I got it. The H with the narrow front is very maneuverable, it will turn around so tight that one rear wheel basically stays in place. I had an Allis C that I got before the H to skid logs in a pine plantation where I was working but even though it was smaller it was less maneuverable because the front wheels did not turn nearly as far to the side. I like being up high on the H seat but some find it unpleasant, I guess it isn't too much higher than the seat on the C. The gear ratios on a stock H are a little bit limited, you basically have 4 speeds in the 3-5.5 MPH range and then 15 or so for road gear. I put Super H gears and shafts in my H this summer and that is a big help since 2 3 and 4 are all raised, or there are the aftermarket 9 speed transmission kits that pop up used from time to time, however they are expensive. I have parted out 5 H and Super H tractors that had stuck engines and other damage, so I have gotten to be fairly familiar with all of the parts and how they go together which helps when it is time to fix something on mine, even with the help of the many knowledgeable people on this forum.
Zach
Zach
old
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I have 4 of them and can not seem to get rid of any of them. They are around a 23-25HP tractor with no 3 point and no live hyds. Most are of course the trike front ends and in this area bring $1000 if they have good tires and if you have bad tires you might as well forget about selling one
old
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Ya know how that is. I have 3 H's that run or could be made run easy, have not run them in a year or 2 since I have no real need for them. Plus I have a M that is the same way. Shoot you should come up here and take a few machines off my hands. You might even like my Cletrac HG I have
Zachary Hoyt
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Have not worked on a C but to me the H is easy to work on because most jobs can be done without having to split the tractor. The transmission top cover is sort of the deck on which you stand and it is easy to remove and gives access to all of the transmission and rearend parts. The clutch disk can be replaced from below without splitting. The rear tires are big, and they are heavy if loaded. Mine are 14.9/38 with calcium and they are very heavy, but they are easy to remove if there is something there like a wall or another tractor to lean them on, or if you have a loader tractor.
Zach
Zach
Being lighter, the C is easier to steer, and has a shorter wheelbase. On a practical basis, handling between them is not noticeable, except if you are trying to turn the wheels with the tractor stopped or barely moving. As to restorations, since I have done both a C and a Super H, currently a Super M, bigger the tractor, the heavier the parts, so I will use a hoist on a M or H more often than on a C. But, the principle of repairs is the same. Disassembly and reassembly of all three is similar.
CenTex Farmall
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I would say an H is a 2/3 scale M. Same layout of parts and design. Compared to a C the H has frame rails rather than a stressed block. Very handy for doing chores but will handle two bottom plow with ease. Grandpa had one and it was his "go to" chore tractor when he got older. Easy to work on and easy to find cheap. We're thick with them in this part of the world. I could go tomorrow with cash in hand and buy five of them in five different locations!
Janicholson
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They are popular because they are good. They are easy to find parts for, and make substantially more power than the C. If the C feels good under you, the H will feel more of it. Jim
George Rausch
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I like that you ride high up in the air. The wheels are slightly ahead of you, and it is nice to be able to see so well, see the wheels turn...
if you get a 3-point, and a plow, you can ride up high, hear the plow as it schussses thru the ground,
if you get a 3-point, and a plow, you can ride up high, hear the plow as it schussses thru the ground,
Tom Fleming
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They are a great size, decent power for the size, easy to work on, just all around good tractor. That is the reason why it was the best selling IHC just behind the 10-20. My favorite out of all my tractor's is probably the F-20. BUT, when I have work to do, it is usually the H or the BN that comes out. BN for skidding firewood logs because it is smaller manuvering in the woods, H when I need a little ummph.
The short comings can be overcome on the hydraulics side, 3 PT can be added, but the PTO is what it is. Just get an over-run clutch, and you will be fine.
The short comings can be overcome on the hydraulics side, 3 PT can be added, but the PTO is what it is. Just get an over-run clutch, and you will be fine.
Dave I Love My H
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I wanted a Farmall and looked at all the letter series for my little place.
The H I found had drilled 50 holes with the attached auger, and had pulled hay wagons on the farm over the past 20 years. The farmer had more modern equipment for his 125 acres, so he was selling the H.
I've drilled an additional 60 holes for fencing and some trees, pulled, pushed material.
Now she has a Saginaw hitch plumbed with the belly pump.
They really do run like a finely made Swiss watch. (I guess they run more like an American watch!)
Again, I am not a farmer or person with large acreage, but I am a big fan of FUNctional, durable, extremely well made and running Americana!
Dave
The H I found had drilled 50 holes with the attached auger, and had pulled hay wagons on the farm over the past 20 years. The farmer had more modern equipment for his 125 acres, so he was selling the H.
I've drilled an additional 60 holes for fencing and some trees, pulled, pushed material.
Now she has a Saginaw hitch plumbed with the belly pump.
They really do run like a finely made Swiss watch. (I guess they run more like an American watch!)
Again, I am not a farmer or person with large acreage, but I am a big fan of FUNctional, durable, extremely well made and running Americana!
Dave
Ed Hotaling
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My first tractor and I still have it. It might sit for months on end, but will start on the first or second revolution. It will out pull my Ford 805 hands down. The loader will lift more and it feels more stable with the load in the air. If it had power steering, live hydraulics, live PTO and 3- point hitch, it would be ideal. There are aftermarket accessories that can add all those features, but they cost more than the tractor, so I don't have them. It has worked well for over 60 years like it is, so why mess with it now.
With so many out there, they can be had for a reasonable price and parts are readily available.
Drop me a line if you have any questions.
With so many out there, they can be had for a reasonable price and parts are readily available.
Drop me a line if you have any questions.
old
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I live in the Lake of the Ozarks area of Missouri
supergrumpy
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nice looking MF there
The Dukester
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H's are one of the best tractors ever built. They handle nice and in their time were adaptable to a multitude of jobs. In 99% of the jobs done with them, they have adequate power...not excess, but just about right....and they're real easy on fuel. Of course the extra power a Super H has is wonderful too. H's are just nice tractors, they were a really big seller in their day, and the "dream tractor" of many farmers in that era.
I have a 1940 H with a standard lift loader on her , it also has a grader blade that goes on where the loader bucket would go. I have used this old tractor for many years and she just keeps giving. I also have 2 case dc"s and an M .I use the H a heck of alot more than any of the oter tarctors. She also is very easy on the gas ( dont use alot) . Would buy another in a heart beat, Kenny.
CoopertownBob
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The H still holds the record for the best selling row crop ever (8N wasn't really a row crop). There are ample reasons for that. I have a 1940 model, and that is the best selling year model of the H. The H is also the best selling model IH ever built, with over 428,000 built if you include the Super H, which most do now days since it was really just a simple upgrade of the H, basically just adding the live hydro and a bit more go power, (by contrast, the 10-20 someone mentioned above only reached slightly over 200,000 units). The next best seller for IH was the M, which had more power, but little else. Both models were designed from the start to use the same implements, benefiting the small farmer, the big farmer and IH all three.
The H is super easy to work on, parts are readily available and inexpensive too! For instance, I rebuilt the engine on mine for less than $500 total, with me doing all the labor that is. I needed new pistons, sleeves, wrist pins, retainers, bearings, gaskets of course, and the head needed to be completely rebuilt as well. That meant new valves, springs, locks, retainers, guides and the installation for all. I bought complete kits to do this off eBay, and the engine kit is still on there for $310 now, (I paid $300), but I can't seem to find the head kit right now. If I had it to do all over again, I would pop for one of the more complete kits with everything instead of trying to put them together myself, that way I would be sure of getting all that I needed, instead of being in the middle of it and finding out I needed one more item that always seems to invariably be back-ordered till next year! Those kits run around the $500 range, again on eBay. I love my H, and will gladly do it all over again if I had too.
The BEFORE photo:
The AFTER photo:
As you can plainly see, I am glutton for punishment! But I had a GREAT TIME!!!
The H is super easy to work on, parts are readily available and inexpensive too! For instance, I rebuilt the engine on mine for less than $500 total, with me doing all the labor that is. I needed new pistons, sleeves, wrist pins, retainers, bearings, gaskets of course, and the head needed to be completely rebuilt as well. That meant new valves, springs, locks, retainers, guides and the installation for all. I bought complete kits to do this off eBay, and the engine kit is still on there for $310 now, (I paid $300), but I can't seem to find the head kit right now. If I had it to do all over again, I would pop for one of the more complete kits with everything instead of trying to put them together myself, that way I would be sure of getting all that I needed, instead of being in the middle of it and finding out I needed one more item that always seems to invariably be back-ordered till next year! Those kits run around the $500 range, again on eBay. I love my H, and will gladly do it all over again if I had too.
The BEFORE photo:
The AFTER photo:
As you can plainly see, I am glutton for punishment! But I had a GREAT TIME!!!
CoopertownBob
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1940 was the best selling year for the model H. Then the war came and slowed down everything, and when the boys came home, they wanted more horse power, so the M then took the lead. If you buy the '40, one warning; if you EVER want a PTO in it, make sure it has one that WORKS before buying it. Certain ones, (like mine), had short transmissions in them, and required a special adapter to fit a PTO to the bottom shaft, which is danged hard to come by. The serial number range for that was up to FBH45613. Pick the one you want based upon your wallet first and how much work you want to do second. If you plan on a total rebuild anyway, may as well start with the heap, so you don't pay for stuff you won't be using anyway. Then again, try to get the one that is the most complete to start with to save trouble running some hard to locate or expensive parts later.
the later one.. a 51 I guess looks to be the most mechanically complete and in best non cosmetic condition.
the 40 is in best cosmetic condition, but worst mechanically.
I'm good at body work.. 51 is looking good. it has an operation pto as I understand it as it has a mower attacjed at this time..
the 40 is in best cosmetic condition, but worst mechanically.
I'm good at body work..
51 is looking good. it has an operation pto as I understand it as it has a mower attacjed at this time..CoopertownBob
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(quoted from post at 00:17:02 01/11/12) the later one.. a 51 I guess looks to be the most mechanically complete and in best non cosmetic condition.
the 40 is in best cosmetic condition, but worst mechanically.
I'm good at body work..
Maybe get both? Swap good sheet metal to good mechanical tractor and vice-versa, sell ugly one or make it a long term project.
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