Mufflers

I recently bought a Stanley muffler for my 1941 H, It is the loudest. next to the straight pipe I took off. What a let down. NO baffles at all. Has anyone tried the Nelson muffler, or those from Carter & Gruenwald, are they better? My father bought a new H in 1947, and if you stood 10ft. from it,you could not hear it run. Factory sound is what I want. Thanks for any replies.

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The Stanley is "straight thru" with just a LITTLE baffleing.I run a Stanley on My Super M.It is a little bit quieter than a straight pipe.(Stanley does make a MORE baffeled muffler,but IDK which one it is???)

There are quieter mufflers out there.They are not a "straight thru" mufler.

I have been buying mufflers from the local IH dealer. They fit the H and the M. The outlet is too big for the H. It does have a baffle in it, but I think only one.

I might try one of the OEM mufflers next time. It looks like the price has come down quite a bit. I don't know how quiet they are, but they do claim they are made to the original specs.
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(quoted from post at 00:35:18 12/31/11) I recently bought a Stanley muffler for my 1941 H, It is the loudest. next to the straight pipe I took off. What a let down. NO baffles at all. Has anyone tried the Nelson muffler, or those from Carter & Gruenwald, are they better? My father bought a new H in 1947, and if you stood 10ft. from it,you could not hear it run. Factory sound is what I want. Thanks for any replies.

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I've heard someone may be manufacturing the mufflers that Mark used to sell. I've got one on my H and it is by far the best sounding muffler I've ever heard. I'm only 30 but I've had a lot of the 'old-timers' comment on how it does sound like the original.

I am interested in getting a quieter muffler for my H too, and if the OEM ones are quiet I would be very tempted to get one. $49 seems fairly reasonable, but they wouldn't say what the shipping will be so I will have to call them on Monday and ask.
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Mufflers with the original specs and sound will be offered sometime in the spring by Carter and Gruenewald. There are NO mufflers currently being sold with the original sound, including OEM. As far as the original mufflers in the 50's that were on the tractors that I drove -- they are largely responsible for my deafness. I have 2 reproductions from Marks Tractors (whereabouts unknown) that have the original sound. It is the sound I remember from the 50's, but regardless of what anyone says they were not particularly quiet. Those mufflers were straight through with no baffles, as I suppose the new ones will be also. I will buy one or two from Carter and Gruenewald when they become available.

In the January-February 2012 issue of Red Power magazine which I received a couple of days ago the original mufflers that CNKS mentions are noted as being available this summer. They are taking orders presently at this time for them. The regular one (non stainless steel) is priced at $55 and is part no. 350600R91. The polished stainless steel model is priced at $119 and is part no. 350600SS. The prices I noted are for the correct ones for your H, while the ones for the M series tractors are a little more and those for the smaller A, B, C, Super A & C models are slightly less. They are also offered for the Cub and 560 & 660 models also. Hope this helps and I also have some of Mark's mufflers and like CNKS believe they are the best ones for sound but will be giving those being offered by C and G a try, Hal.

Hi Jay, I am the proud owner of a 1945 H with the oridginal muffler and as you say you do not here the engine running when you are a few yards away from the tractor. The tractor came to the UK on the lease lend scheme and I bought it from the first owner 9 years ago. When I sat on the tractor to steer it when we loaded it on to my trailer the first owner told me I was the second person to sit on the seat. MJ

(quoted from post at 16:35:18 12/30/11) I recently bought a Stanley muffler for my 1941 H, It is the loudest. next to the straight pipe I took off. What a let down. NO baffles at all. Has anyone tried the Nelson muffler, or those from Carter & Gruenwald, are they better? My father bought a new H in 1947, and if you stood 10ft. from it,you could not hear it run. Factory sound is what I want. Thanks for any replies.

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The muffler for the M does NOT have a baffle. The muffler for the H has longer barrel and DOES have a baffle. The correct Stanley muffler for the H IS considerably more quiet than the muffler for the M, but is still NOT as quiet as the original H muffler.

Google, Contact Mark Woods @ Mark's Tractors Gifford Illinois

The OEM type mufflers from Marks Tractors that I bought for my C and Super H several years ago do not have baffles. That is what I remembered about the 40's-50's mufflers. I just stuck a broom handle in both of them and they bottom out in the manifold. The C&G ones will be the same. I just preordered one for my SM this morning -- $75.

No one has been able to find Mark in the last year or so. Apparently he went out of business.

?? I could clearly hear our H with the IH muffler from at least 1/2 mile--in the 50's. I don't know where this quiet stuff is coming from. Quiet compared to todays mufflers or through an open exhaust, yes. I am deaf from driving that tractor with a good muffler -- no one had heard of ear protection in those days. I really doubt if yours is the original muffler. It would have rusted out just sitting there.

That sounds like a great price for a stainless muffler, I thought I heard Mark's mufflers were over $250

As I recall Mark's were around $150 or so when he was selling them. There was someone else that was going to try and reproduce them and I think that price was something like the $250 or more that you mentioned. I never heard anything about ever getting them in work as that price might have been out of the market range. I believe if Ken Updike at C and G is involved in them they will be a nice item. I'm going to get one for my Farmall 240 and see what they look like. Someone will probably have them on display at this years RPRU if not for sale. Happy New Year, Hal.

(quoted from post at 16:35:18 12/30/11) I recently bought a Stanley muffler for my 1941 H, It is the loudest. next to the straight pipe I took off. What a let down. NO baffles at all. Has anyone tried the Nelson muffler, or those from Carter & Gruenwald, are they better? My father bought a new H in 1947, and if you stood 10ft. from it,you could not hear it run. Factory sound is what I want. Thanks for any replies.

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While I might get the new C&G muffler now that they're nearing release the Nelson is also a nice muffler. The one on my SM sounds really nice, nothing harsh at all, really enjoyable note. I have a Stanley for a A/B/BN, I stuck it on once and didn't like it. I also have an OEM (as in IH OEM) that sounds the best of them all. I just need to get the tractor that sits under it to run better!

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(quoted from post at 16:35:18 12/30/11) I recently bought a Stanley muffler for my 1941 H, It is the loudest. next to the straight pipe I took off. What a let down. NO baffles at all. Has anyone tried the Nelson muffler, or those from Carter & Gruenwald, are they better? My father bought a new H in 1947, and if you stood 10ft. from it,you could not hear it run. Factory sound is what I want. Thanks for any replies.

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We all talk about what the original H muffler was like, but I'm not sure any of us are really talking about the ORIGINAL Farmall H muffler that came on the first Hs in 1939. If the pictures I've seen are a good indication, that muffler was a short, stubby little black colored thing. Is THAT one available anywhere?

The Nelson mufflers don't sound bad, I have one on my Super A. To avoid confusion, if any, IH is not replacing the Nelsons or any others with the Carter and Grunewald ones -- those are made for Carter and Grunewald only. They will be the only muffler built to IH specs in both construction and sound. So you will have your choice.

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(quoted from post at 16:35:18 12/30/11) I recently bought a Stanley muffler for my 1941 H, It is the loudest. next to the straight pipe I took off. What a let down. NO baffles at all. Has anyone tried the Nelson muffler, or those from Carter & Gruenwald, are they better? My father bought a new H in 1947, and if you stood 10ft. from it,you could not hear it run. Factory sound is what I want. Thanks for any replies.

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We all talk about what the original H muffler was like, but I'm not sure any of us are really talking about the ORIGINAL Farmall H muffler that came on the first Hs in 1939. If the pictures I've seen are a good indication, that muffler was a short, stubby little black colored thing. Is THAT one available anywhere?

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I doubt it, our 47 H had one of those. We used it until the short tube almost almost fell off -- another reason I'm deaf. Been too long ago, but I remember that the barrel wasn't much shorter than its replacement, but the replacements tube was longer like most of them are today. The new one was a vast improvement. I also don't remember if the 39--? ones had the distinctive sound, but I think they did, and that the difference was mostly the top pipe -- I may be wrong, and there may have been an intermediate one with the longer barrel and short pipe. In 1947 I was 9 years old and really did not pay attention to our tractors until I started driving them when I was 12.

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(quoted from post at 16:35:18 12/30/11) I recently bought a Stanley muffler for my 1941 H, It is the loudest. next to the straight pipe I took off. What a let down. NO baffles at all. Has anyone tried the Nelson muffler, or those from Carter & Gruenwald, are they better? My father bought a new H in 1947, and if you stood 10ft. from it,you could not hear it run. Factory sound is what I want. Thanks for any replies.

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We all talk about what the original H muffler was like, but I'm not sure any of us are really talking about the ORIGINAL Farmall H muffler that came on the first Hs in 1939. If the pictures I've seen are a good indication, that muffler was a short, stubby little black colored thing. Is THAT one available anywhere?

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I doubt it, our 47 H had one of those. We used it until the short tube almost almost fell off -- another reason I'm deaf. Been too long ago, but I remember that the barrel wasn't much shorter than its replacement, but the replacements tube was longer like most of them are today. The new one was a vast improvement. I also don't remember if the 39--? ones had the distinctive sound, but I think they did, and that the difference was mostly the top pipe -- I may be wrong, and there may have been an intermediate one with the longer barrel and short pipe. In 1947 I was 9 years old and really did not pay attention to our tractors until I started driving them when I was 12.

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A 1947 H would've come from the factory with a muffler like the one that C&G is getting ready to make.

If a 47 H came with the long pipe, on my dad's there were two possibilties: It was replaced with an older one that the local dealer had, or it was cut off to get into the tractor shed. I don't remember it having a short barrel and I think it had the sound the later one had, before it fell apart. My dad lost the part of our farm that the shed was on in 1950, built another one that the new long pipe muffler cleared by about 1/2 inch. I barely remember yesterday, much less 1947. But I doubt if a new 47 H bought in Jan 1948 wore out 2 mufflers before I started driving it in 1950. So, maybe you are right. We also had a 1939-1941? H, that I drove very little -- it went with the bankrupcy.

My Sm in the mid 80s burnt up several sets of valves. The head was taken to a different (an independent) shop the last time and they said to pull the replacement CIH muffler and knock the baffle out of it. Been running without baffles on that set of valves for 25+ years now.

(quoted from post at 17:44:02 12/31/11) The OEM type mufflers from Marks Tractors that I bought for my C and Super H several years ago do not have baffles. That is what I remembered about the 40's-50's mufflers. I just stuck a broom handle in both of them and they bottom out in the manifold. The C&G ones will be the same. I just preordered one for my SM this morning -- $75.

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I checked their site still no price determine yet. How were you able to preorder?

Call them at 866-327-6255. They won't (or shouldn't) update their website until they are available.

The OEM muffler is a Stanley with a different top welded on by the OEM fabricators.

I bought two, one for Dad's Super H, and one for mine. We put his on, and the paint sloughed off after 30 seconds!

I repainted mine with Rustoleum 2000 degree hi-temp paint, and it held up.

They are LOUD. No baffles whatsoever.

H mufflers...ah yes, there were several types I remember seeing on the new H's that came to our Farm and the local dealer (Keith Williams International Sales, North Adams Mi.) The new '41 H we had had a baffleless dark gray muffler with about a 3 inch long outlet pipe and about a 12-13 inch long body. I don't believe this muffler had a total baffle but the inner pipe was perforated and there was a restrictor sort of baffle (down to about a 1"hole) about halfway up the pipe. The ends were rollspot welded to the inner pipe and body with the top end fitting over the end of the body and the lower end slipped inside. It was moderately loud but not nearly as loud as the tractor with no muffler at all. My uncle used to take it off when he ran the belted hammermill grinding up ear corn for feed...and the old H "barked" a lot louder then.
About 1944 or 1945 the new H's came with a longer silver colored muffler with a long outlet pipe..about 10" I'd guess, with a smaller diameter than the inlet, down to 1 1/2" I'd guess. The top end had a "bulged" appearance, but the bottom looked the same as the older mufflers. The ends were welded on the same way as the older ones The body was about 12-14 inches long. I never saw one off so I don't know how they were baffled or the inner pipe punched, but they were quieter than the older ones...and looked better too. About 1948 the new Farmall H's and M's came with nice silver mufflers with about a 10" long outlet pipe on the H muffler and 12" outlet pipe on the M's. The body of the H muffler was about 12-13" long and the M muffler 15-16". Both ends of the mufflers appeared to be spot welded to the inner pipe but roll-crimped to the body...there was a crease about 3/16ths high around the end crease where the ends were joined to the bodies. These mufflers were fully baffled but the inner pipes were heavily perforated below and above the baffle..and they were pretty quiet on both model teactors, the M did sound louder than the H which was really quiet...but it was much quieter than previous M's had been.
My uncle bought a new H in February of 1950 with that newest type of muffler, it was really quiet but sounded downright nice working at open throttle speeds....a sort of "packed but powerful sound".
When the Super M's came out I noticed they had the same muffler as the latest M's had had except the outlet pipe was larger..about the same diameter as the inlet actually....And Man, they did sound good...a lot like the new H did except louder and made the tractor sound like it had lots and lots of snort....and it did, as we all know.
That's my memories of the Farmall H and M mufflers. Funny, I'm 77 and can remember that stuff real good...but something really important....nnaaahh, gone for good....