460 hi crop

460anger · Dec 28, 2011

Setting here pondering. A couple of you guys can't understand why I would take a 450 and make an MTA out of it. So here's one for you guys... Who's wrong here??? Farmall for selling tractors for other reasons like pavers or, me again... taking a tractor out of a paver, and making a hi crop? I've done this with this one, which is a 460, another one, was a 560, made a hi crop MTA out of that one. Just used the drops. And also, a 140 that also was in a paver, which is now a BN. Lost those pictures, can't seem to find them. The 460 sold on ebay, not sure where it went. The MTA went out west. And the BN is here on the farm. So if you're going to call anybody dumb for building a tractor, you have to go all the way back to IH themselves. To the rest of, enjoy the pictures!! Oh yeah, by the way, that's me in the picture, and I'm 6'1". Pretty tall tractor. Got the front end off a junk bean picker thing.

Old-F20 · Dec 28, 2011

(quoted from post at 17:37:49 12/28/11) Setting here pondering. A couple of you guys can't understand why I would take a 450 and make an MTA out of it.

you can build what you want, i dont care. My point was that your trying to call something that its not. You cant take a 450 and 'make it into' an MTA. it would be like super glueing ti*s on a boar and trying to say its now a sow, just doesnt work :?

Janicholson · Dec 28, 2011

The revitalization of old dead chunks of metal is an art of High magnitude. Almost nothing I own is stock, I enjoy doing what you are doing. I enjoy looking at the things you (and Wardner) make. Keep on Keeping on. If you sell them (and I hope you do if you want to) as they are, reconstructed morphed tractors with no baloney about originality, there is no issue, and in my opinion, go for it. Jim

460anger · Dec 29, 2011

This is what my uncle did back in 57 he liked chrome. Was thinking of doing the same thing with my mta 450 project. Kind of a tribute to him. as he is gone now.

gene bender · Dec 29, 2011

Thats fun to redo something which will work for you. I have a modified Bwith Woods 59 mower runs 245x15 on the rear and the 13in emergency spares on the front and the left diff out and movedfinal to the tranny. Low to the ground and the rears dont tear up the grass goes under tree limbs with muffler pointed down. Then thers the B with single and two-way hy system and loader handy all the time can use blade on the rear and one one the front for snow.

John M · Dec 29, 2011

You can do what you want to, I dont care, but in the case of your 460HC, it never was a paver from IH, IH didnt make the paver, they built a platform for a paver, the 460HC in your picture, minus whatever the company who built the paver wanted it to have or not have. IH has done nothing "wrong". They had been doing that for years!

My only beef would be you trying to sell it as an MTA, when its a 400, or whatever!

mkirsch · Dec 29, 2011

460anger, you're never going to win this argument. Just keep doing what you like and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. As long as you're not hurting anyone, the naysayers have nothing to complain about.

Some may say that what you're doing is hurting them mentally, but that's THEIR problem. It's not like you've got them strapped to a chair with their eyelids taped open, and you're forcing them to watch you build this tractor.

It's funny how these same guys who wail and gnash their teeth when a tractor isn't 100% original, will ooooh and ahhhh and drool over somebody's "clone" Hemi 'cuda or a "resto-mod" Camaro.

They're the SAME THING: Bolting together parts that fit together with little or no modification to build something unique, or replicate something rare.

Wardner · Dec 29, 2011

I passed on a 460 paver in s CT salvage yard about 20 years ago. It was before I started getting creative with tractors. The real estate has now been converted to house lots and the iron is gone.

There must be some interesting attachments to make them "creep" at rated engine RPM. This is particularly so because it appears that the TA is deleted on your tractor. The PTO looks unlike anything I have seen before. It's is interesting that the hydraulic cylinders appear to be IH when the paver mfg probably could have bought cheaper units. I suppose there must have been a right angle drive between the two belt/chain guards. IH hydraulic valves appear to have been a factory delete.

Sure, we need librarians, archivists, and museum curators but if we didn't have dreamers and do-ers, we would still be restricted to the tropical zone in central Africa looking for ways to avoid being eaten. There is plenty of iron to go around and I like seeing your photos.

Anonymous-0 · Dec 29, 2011

I have a 560 Trac Paver that has 506 hours on the tach. Appears to be complete, perfect sheet metal and drops- and its for sale.

460anger · Dec 29, 2011

Wardner, Yes, they used IH cylinders, same as you find on 2 point hitches. Have the old style stops on them, like was used on the 300, 400 fast hitch. You could drive it 2 ways when it was a paver, you could use the regular transmission or had a lever to block the clutch pedal out. Then that big gear box on the side was bolted on the belt pulley, then had a hydraulic motor that drove that. You could adjust your speed with the hydraulics. You can see that on the side of the paver. That unit brought a lot of money on ebay. A guy bought that to use on a cultivating tractor. All the pavers I've had, have had this on it. The little one I had, that was made out of a 140, with the BN axle housing on the left side had the hydraulic driven IH creeper box. Thanks for the comments.

460anger · Dec 29, 2011

Where are you and how much are you asking??? Not sure if my email is open but here it is if not [email protected]

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