Letters Series and Loaders

IAtractorKid · Dec 16, 2011

Hey guys! Just bought a small acreage here in central IA and now trying to figure out which tractor I should setup for snow removal. I have an H, SH, M and SM that are all in great running condition. SH has live hydraulics, M and SM have 2-way hydraulics.

At this time, I have a decent chance at a Koyker Super K loader w/84" bucket for a dirt cheap price. I know the SH would probably be best with the live hydraulics (although I do not know which pump I have so unsure of output) but I think it a bit small for this loader...what do you think? Other options would be to find a smaller loader for the SH, or get the Koyker and buy a 17gpm PTO pump for it and put on the M.

Guess Im wondering what the better choice would be or what you recommend? Needed for snow removal on about a 200yd long driveway. Thanks!

Nick in Kansas · Dec 16, 2011

Get a big PTO pump and hang the loader on the M. In my opinion you can never have a big enough loader tractor. I don't think your tractor hydraulics would be fast enough, for me anyway.

mkirsch · Dec 16, 2011

84" is a lot of bucket for any of those tractors, but if you're just moving snow it should be okay.

The Super M can have live hydraulics added. That would be my vote. Unfortunately the Super H's live pump does not fit, but you were going to buy an expensive PTO pump anyway, so it's food for thought.

Live hydraulics on a super M will be 12GPM, but at least the loader won't stop moving and quite possibly drop like a stone when you push the clutch.

Ron-MO · Dec 16, 2011

Maybe it is just me, but I have never used my loader for snow removal. I use a 7 foot back blade (angled) and I have about that same amount of driveway on a steep slope with a stream crossing it. Most of the time one pass each way with the back blade and I am good to go provided it does not get packed first. I almost brought out my diesel 65 Horse tractor and loader last year when we had about 2 feet, but was able to do ok with the blade. To me, the bucket would tear up the road if not careful.

riverbend · Dec 16, 2011

For a long driveway I'd go with a blade.

I have a loader and snow bucket on my H and at some point it won't push any more snow. It has to be picked up and moved out of the way (far enough back so I don't have to move it again in March...). Bucketing out a foot of wet snow is a slow process. With a 200 yard long driveway you won't be done until noon.

Greg

Nebraska Cowman · Dec 16, 2011

Yeah, A pto pump would be best. It won't be live but for pushing snow that won't be a big problem. I'd put it on either the H or the M depending on which one you would not rather have for other chores. The Supers I'd save because they have a higher 4th gear and you are not going to plow snow in 4th. Not unless you want to tear up the loader. I've pushed a lot of snow with loaders over the years. It might not always be the fastest but when you get more than you can push you just shove it to the side in a pile. A back blade in heavy drifts is about useless.

rustyfarmall · Dec 16, 2011

(quoted from post at 06:00:57 12/16/11) Hey guys! Just bought a small acreage here in central IA and now trying to figure out which tractor I should setup for snow removal. I have an H, SH, M and SM that are all in great running condition. SH has live hydraulics, M and SM have 2-way hydraulics.

At this time, I have a decent chance at a Koyker Super K loader w/84" bucket for a dirt cheap price. I know the SH would probably be best with the live hydraulics (although I do not know which pump I have so unsure of output) but I think it a bit small for this loader...what do you think? Other options would be to find a smaller loader for the SH, or get the Koyker and buy a 17gpm PTO pump for it and put on the M.

Guess Im wondering what the better choice would be or what you recommend? Needed for snow removal on about a 200yd long driveway. Thanks!

I use a 1950 Farmall H with a #31 McCormick loader equipped with a blade from a #45 John Deere loader. That outfit does everything I need it to do, and I am in Iowa also.

sflem849 · Dec 16, 2011

I bought a used snow plow for my truck for the same money as you will spend on a loader and live hyd. Now I am warm and it is a whole lot faster than the tractor. I went over all of this 4 years ago when I moved to my house. Just some food for thought.

gene bender · Dec 16, 2011

Any of those tractors hyd system will run the loader. Its nice to have a blade on the front as you can push more than you can pull. Its not hard to have a blade on the rear make a bracket on the drawbar for the blade to attach then use a cycl for the center to lift. I use a 6ft on the rear of my B and use the cycl for lift. Hy system is a Char-Lynn Power Pac. But you already have the pump. Where do you live as im sw of IA cITY.

gene bender · Dec 16, 2011

Thats why a blade is much better than a snow bucket he lives in the country so he doesent have any problems as to where to put the snow.

S2710 · Dec 16, 2011

I have this on a M and I am using a winch instead of hyd. It is a 7.5 foot snow plow off a truck.

Super-H-Mike · Dec 16, 2011

I have a loader on both my SH and SM , the M will push a heck of a lot more than the H. Both have weights and chains, but there is no comparison . I personally use a pickup with plow for snow, I like to be warm !

rustyfarmall · Dec 16, 2011

(quoted from post at 08:20:02 12/16/11) I have a loader on both my SH and SM , the M will push a heck of a lot more than the H. Both have weights and chains, but there is no comparison . I personally use a pickup with plow for snow, I like to be warm !

The staying warm part sounds nice, but it doesn't take all that long usually to clear my driveway, and my Farmall H can be manuevered into places that are much too tight for a pick-up truck and snowplow, plus, I do have a heat-houser I can put on if needed.

Old-F20 · Dec 16, 2011

IAtractorkid,

i personally would put that loader on an M sized tractor or bigger. thats a pretty good sized bucket, even for snow. wet snow will be like filling it with dirt and thats heavy

if you want a complete live hyd setup for your M or your Super M, i have one im taking off my 450LP before i restore it.

its got an M&W 201X pump, res tank, and dual spool with a mount. let me know if your interested, i can put some pics of it up for you to look at.

before anyone tells me the pump wont fit a straight M, its a late style pump with the slotted upper holes to fit both bolt patterns for a straight M, and the satge 2 and up

as far a using a blade for snow, this is what ive found to work the best....12 feet at a time with a heater :lol:

Old-F20 · Dec 16, 2011

oops! double post

JRSutton · Dec 16, 2011

(reply to post at 10:14:07 12/16/11)

Not quite as fun as playing on an old tractor, but when it's 5 degrees with a steady 40mph wind, there's a LOT to be said for this approach!

Although, the downside to a truck mounted plow is that everybody you know will be calling you every time it snows.

Super-H-Mike · Dec 16, 2011

Yeah I use a Heat Houser too, and it makes a difference ,when it is windy especially. I have to haul manure all winter, and do that with the SH, the houser helps a bunch. I use it for piling up snow sometimes too. But for clearing the driveway and farmyard, it is just too slow.

Neb Super H · Dec 16, 2011

I have a dual loader on my M. It has a PTO pump. Works good for small work around the yard.

sflem849 · Dec 16, 2011

(quoted from post at 09:31:48 12/16/11)

(reply to post at 10:14:07 12/16/11)

Click to expand...

I go with...Oh...I'm sorry, my insurance won't cover plowing for other people.

David Goode · Dec 16, 2011

I've got a Super M with IH 2000 Loader on it, does really well for moving snow, Manure, tractor parts and just about anything else that needs moving around our hobby farm. You almost definitely need live Hydraulics, but I think the SM or M would be slightly better because of the increased power. Only downfall I've ever had was the cold, need to look into those windbreakers. Best of luck

Zachary Hoyt · Dec 16, 2011

I have an H with a McCormick 30 or 31 (don't remember) running off the belly pump. It lifts quite fast and it has a 6' plow blade on it. The loader (on mine at least) will stay up even with the engine off, and I don't have a problem without live hydraulics. I just start to lift the blade when I am about 4-6' from where I want to stop and by the time I get there it is about a foot off the ground so I can put the tractor in reverse and back up again without spinning. It does get cold when the wind blows. We are in the lake effect snow belt off Lake Ontario so sometimes I spend a lot of time plowing. I have loaded tires and chains.
Zach

IAtractorKid · Dec 17, 2011

Been renting in Ankeny but the new place is just SE of Des Moines. There is a lot of stuff to get taken care of and as I"m only 22, its all new! Hopefully everything goes ok... Guess for the moment I am leaning towards the Koyker on my M with a 17gpm PTO pump. Eventually I will be looking for a 504 or similar sized tractor with loader so I can have factory live hydraulics, hopefully power steering and a three point for a rear blade. Trying to save what I can for now though as I am sure moving is going to cost more than expected! Thanks for all the input!

artw · Dec 17, 2011

I just took a wagner iron works hydraulic loader off an H. Hyydraulic bucket. Complete pump, spool, lines, cylinders, mounting brackets. Works fine just took it off to restore the H for my grandson. $200 if anyone is interested. Central Pa

IAtractorKid · Dec 17, 2011

Any idea what kind of GPM that M&W pump puts out? I may be interested in your setup depending on the price...I know I can get a 17GPM PTO pump for $435 but then I still need a dual spool valve as well.

Afraid to go with too small a pump as I dont want the loader to be real slow. I'm used to plowing snow on my dads John Deere 2840, and after just checking the book, it has a 23GPM hydraulic system which has me a little worried now of even the 17GPM PTO pump.

Old-F20 · Dec 17, 2011

i will have to see if it states GPM on the tag on the pump.

i was asking 500 for the whole setup on the tractor. if you're gonna put it on an M, it would be a bolt on affair

Old-F20 · Dec 17, 2011

went out and looked and i dont see where GPM is listed on the tag. i was wrong on the pump number too, its a 201PX not a 201X. maybe someone has a book with M&W stuff in it that might say??

PS, if your in ANkeny, your only about 17 minutes away from me. if you want to come up tomorrow and look at it, let me know

mkirsch · Dec 17, 2011

The M&W pump is not very fast. Less than 10GPM IIRC. For some reason the number 6 stands in my mind but I might be confusing it with something else.

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