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Wardner

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Marty had a 560 "hoop" close tonight. It got 10 bids to $36. On top of that, he raised the shipping to $40 from $25 for one previously and $30 for another.

I wonder if he thought I was sneaking in another bid and then had his shill raise the price. I am sure that he was watching that auction. I can assure everyone that I did not open another account and place a bid. I can't because eBay will cancel my accounts if I do. I don't need another one anyway.

I have not laid any groundwork for a proxy bidder. It may be a couple of weeks before that happens. My friend is having foot surgery and will probably spend alot of time in front of his computer soon.

These "hoops" normally don't sell or, at best, only get one or two bids.

Meant to post this as a new topic. It originally got posted to the former thread.
eBay link for Martys 560 bail
 
Hate to say it but as many times as you have posted stuff about this guy you maybe should stay away from him and Ebay. I know there are tractor slavage yards around that ship and have parts like that.

Rick
 
I always wonder about shills on ebay. I don't see a practical way they could police such a thing.

Hopefully you can find others to deal with. Had good luck with other ebay tractor parts. It's just sporadic what they will or won't have.
 
I don't even bother looking at his items. As many messages as you see about bad experiences with him, I simply avoid anything with that name attached to it. For every item he has, another location will have 20 of the same. Someday people will learn how to google names and read about a persons history.
 
As a seller, it's not hard to get a good feedback number if you have alot of volume and alot of blocked bidders. When his blocked bidders list reaches the eBay limit of 5000, his feedback will tank. It would be interesting to know where he stands. eBay should report that score.
That number says alot more than the contrived feedback system which has been rendered meaningless.

Even if a buyer gives him a positive but mentions some deficiency, that will be the last auction that buyer will be able to bid and submit feedback. Nobody gets a second chance to give Marty any disrespect unless the buyer bids under a new account which eBay doesn't allow.

There is also a significant likelihood that Marty may have his account rep void some of his negatives but that is just speculation.

Read my four page "More Marty Madness" thread.
 
oldtanker,

Even though I live on a farmstead that goes back centuries, I am smack dab in the middle of suburbia. I can think of only two IH dealers in New England. There are no decent ag salvage yards. That means outfits that bring in new inventory. There's a guy in Maine who has about 40 engines laying in the weeds and mud and he thinks he is a salvage operator. Those same engines have been there for twenty years.

I like Mike Bunck (Steel Wheel Ranch, Everest, KS) and a few others but their prices are double to quintuple of Marty's. And many won't break apart an assembly such as a Fast Hitch.

Marty usually lists about 150-200 auctions on each tractor. These tractors have not been picked over. One can go down his listings, file what he wants in his "saved list", and bid them without having to negotiate price or waste fuel. Yes, Marty has alot of negative attributes and attitudes so one has to be careful. I learned the hard way that you don't buy something that can split Marty's urine-poor packaging. It eventually put me on Marty's blocked bidders list but eBay made him send me another one for no cost.

Yep, I'm blocked and not liking it.
 
Made my first purchase from Marty last week I think the day before you started the other post. It came quick and in good shape.
Two sellers have got me on the bay. One didn't ship the item and closed the bay account and a carburetor stated as good was missing the choke plate and shaft. When I contacted the seller about the carburetor in a nice way, his first action was to block me. Was no need because I wouldn't bid on his items agian.
Feedback is a joke, unless they are removed by now there's a person with items for sale in the photo ads this site that they recieved positive feedback for the same items as sold on the bay.
 
I believe there's only two ways to bid on eBay:

1) If you will take the item at a reasonable price but don't really need it, bid your price about a day before the auction ends. If a shill bids it up they can have it.

2) If you really need it, wait until there are less than three seconds until the auction closes and bid your max. Shills (usually) won't run it up right at the end.
 
(quoted from post at 06:26:33 12/10/11) But shill bidders are against the rules...
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Yes, shill bidders ARE against the rules, but when it comes to Ebay, the rules mean very little. Shill bidding is alive and thriving on Ebay.
 
Don't forget that a shill bidder is often the seller himself, running up the price on his own item using another account.

With millions of bidders, tens of millions of auctions, hundreds of millions of bids, and how easy it is to be anonymous on the Internet, can you realistically expect eBay to effectively police for shill bidding?
 
I have bought a few items from marty. He is well know in the "farmall E-Bay world". So far I haven't had any problems. One night i had a little bit to much to drink. I had seen that he just tore apart a good running 450 and was putting it all on E-Bay for $9.99.Needless to say I was complaining to everyone that would listen.I even posted a comment on here. My wife kept telling me to "shut-up" its not your tractor.HAHAHA Like I said I did end up buying some things from him in the long run.
 
(quoted from post at 16:25:43 12/10/11) Don't forget that a shill bidder is often the seller himself, running up the price on his own item using another account.

With millions of bidders, tens of millions of auctions, hundreds of millions of bids, and how easy it is to be anonymous on the Internet, can you realistically expect eBay to effectively police for shill bidding?
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I can't figure out why eBay doesn't like shill bidding? It happens everyday at auction's, where the owner has a individual bids on items that aren't bringing what he wants for them.

A good example was in 1984 when my dad had his farm auction. My uncle bidded on our Farmall 400, because my dad just had the tractor overhauled, and new rear rubber. It only brought around $600, and my dad wanted to get $1500. My dad did up selling it 6 months later for $1500.
 
i dont normally reply to messages such as this but i really think someone needs to move on and get a life, let it go already!
 
(quoted from post at 07:30:39 12/10/11)
(quoted from post at 06:26:33 12/10/11) But shill bidders are against the rules...
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Yes, shill bidders ARE against the rules, but when it comes to Ebay, the rules mean very little. Shill bidding is alive and thriving on Ebay.
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I know, that is why it is so nuts to even have a rule against it. There is really no way to enforce it unless the bidder and seller have the same email address/account.
 
(quoted from post at 14:35:39 12/10/11)
(quoted from post at 07:30:39 12/10/11)
(quoted from post at 06:26:33 12/10/11) But shill bidders are against the rules...
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Yes, shill bidders ARE against the rules, but when it comes to Ebay, the rules mean very little. Shill bidding is alive and thriving on Ebay.
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I know, that is why it is so nuts to even have a rule against it. There is really no way to enforce it unless the bidder and seller have the same email address/account.
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I think that is why ebay changed things so that only the seller knows who is bidding. Too many shill bidders were being detected and reported, and ebay had no choice but to shut down that seller, which meant fewer dollars coming in to ebay.
 
Makes sense to me Rusty. I don't spend much time on there at all. Craigslist on the other hand...I think I have a problem :roll:
 
Terry,

You talkin' bout me, Dude?

Just so you know, goto the Modern View and look at the hit count as well as the reply count. The "Marty Threads" are showing more interest than anything else. BTW, the hit count on Modern only represents about 10% of total hits according to management.

The threads sure beat:

"What year is my tractor?"
"How much is my tractor worth?"
"What shade of Red do I use?"
"What does this code mean?"

Perhaps you don't use eBay. That's not my problem. Others seem to think that being frugal is absurd. So be it.

I think that expanding the knowledge of eBay and Marty is beneficial and entertaining.
 
Wardner, seems to me that you and Marty deserve one another. Maybe that is what "Marty related" means - you 2 are related.

Your "hit count" doesn't really help anyone work on a red tractors, IMO.
 
Shepard Bill,

Hit count reflects the level of interest and a willingness to click on a topic. Like most, I do not read everything that is posted here. BTW, he took a shot at me as have several others including yourself.

Don't Taze me, Bro.
 
(quoted from post at 14:35:39 12/10/11)
(quoted from post at 16:25:43 12/10/11) I can't figure out why eBay doesn't like shill bidding? It happens everyday at auction's, where the owner has a individual bids on items that aren't bringing what he wants for them.

A good example was in 1984 when my dad had his farm auction. My uncle bidded on our Farmall 400, because my dad just had the tractor overhauled, and new rear rubber. It only brought around $600, and my dad wanted to get $1500. My dad did up selling it 6 months later for $1500.
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When Dad sold out and "downsized" from renting 200 to owning 100 acres in Jan. '56, he had uncles and neighbors "bidding up" a few items with the auctioneer's knowledge. As it ended up, all he "bought back" were his '49 GMC pickup, 1953 JD 60 and 227 cornpicker.
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My original post is cheerfully withdrawn to save space at YT's server.

Wardner's theory: Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on you. Screw me 814 times, shame on you. Going back to be screwed over and over again? Of course, shame on you. He also thinks all of this "shame" will change the seller. Good luck.

La-la land must be nice this time of year.

AG
 
(quoted from post at 22:07:07 12/10/11) Terry,

You talkin' bout me, Dude?

Just so you know, goto the Modern View and look at the hit count as well as the reply count. The "Marty Threads" are showing more interest than anything else. BTW, the hit count on Modern only represents about 10% of total hits according to management.

The threads sure beat:

"What year is my tractor?"
"How much is my tractor worth?"
"What shade of Red do I use?"
"What does this code mean?"

Perhaps you don't use eBay. That's not my problem. Others seem to think that being frugal is absurd. So be it.

I think that expanding the knowledge of eBay and Marty is beneficial and entertaining.
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i rest my case :shock: lol you have a good day mr wardner
 
(quoted from post at 09:33:52 12/11/11) "Don't taze me, bro"? "You talking 'bout me dude"?

What's up with that? Ghetto-surfer slang?
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It was an internet thing from last year. The kind of thing that gets more views on YouTube than people that go to elect our President.

Edit - FYI this years cool thing is the honey badger. You are gonna wanna check that one out.
 
Ive bought parts from him on E-bay. A grill and a front wheel for a M I think. If it"s the same guy The grill wasn"t in all that great of shape I was going to use it as a parts grill anyway. But it was bent up more then the pictures showed. I contacted him and told him I would be willing to give him $20 on it not $35 that I payed and that the picture didn"t show the sides. He refunded my pay pal $15. The Front wheel was in good shape. I don"t agree with cutting up every tractor he gets He had a running 450 when I went to pick up my parts that he said was a parts tractor. Looked like it just need paint. And I know some most be parted so some may live. But pick junk tractors to part not runners. I wish he would try and sell all the parts not scrap the large parts.
 
(quoted from post at 01:11:38 12/10/11) oldtanker,

Even though I live on a farmstead that goes back centuries, I am smack dab in the middle of suburbia. I can think of only two IH dealers in New England. There are no decent ag salvage yards. That means outfits that bring in new inventory. There's a guy in Maine who has about 40 engines laying in the weeds and mud and he thinks he is a salvage operator. Those same engines have been there for twenty years.

I like Mike Bunck (Steel Wheel Ranch, Everest, KS) and a few others but their prices are double to quintuple of Marty's. And many won't break apart an assembly such as a Fast Hitch.

Marty usually lists about 150-200 auctions on each tractor. These tractors have not been picked over. One can go down his listings, file what he wants in his "saved list", and bid them without having to negotiate price or waste fuel. Yes, Marty has alot of negative attributes and attitudes so one has to be careful. I learned the hard way that you don't buy something that can split Marty's urine-poor packaging. It eventually put me on Marty's blocked bidders list but eBay made him send me another one for no cost.

Yep, I'm blocked and not liking it.
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Warner, nope I'm not buying it. What little you are saving you are using up in time and agravation. I can find parts from slavage yards on the internet and have them shipped to my door just like evilbay except for the agravation. Sure I pay a bit more but I haven't had any problems!

You sound like a friend who bought a car for $250 that has a market value of about $750......he's driven less than 200 miles and has about 2,000 in it. Keeps claiming he got a deal!

You are either addicted to auctions and winning or so cheap that dealing with people who try to rip you off to save a few bucks is worth it......

Plus unless you have proof positive you could be opening yourself to legal action by Marty for slander.

Is that few dollars really worth all this fuss?

Rick
 
From seeing pictures of Wardner's projects I think he has a pretty good idea of what he wants when he orders something and it should be at least close to being what it is advertised as, certainly a cyl should not have a badly bent shaft unless so stated in the ad.
 
I much prefer sitting at my keyboard, opening my emailed eBay alerts, and sending those preferred parts to "My eBay" watched list. Marty consistently has the parts that I want.

Certainly not all the parts or not in a timely availability. I needed the solid vertical lift link for a 300-400 Fast Hitch this summer to complete my down-pressure snowplow. It took about 10 calls to salvage yards and I finally found an outfit that actually knew what I was talking about and had the part. It cost me $40 plus shipping. If I hadn't been in a hurry, that would be a $9.99 part from Marty and is almost certain to be serviceable and shipped without damage. But I do have some reservations that his crew might not know how to remove it from the tractor.

In another instance, I have been waiting three years for an aluminum hydraulic lever for a 400 Standard Tread. I emailed dealers and salvage yards. Nothing. I printed out a list of salvage yards in small-grain states. Finally found a lever in Canada. They would only sell me the three valves, levers, and linkages as a package. They wanted $500. If I get lucky, Marty may get a 400-450-460-560-660 Wheatland or Orchard and will list the lever separately. Shouldn't have to pay more than $20. This is one of the reasons why I don't like being blocked.

I am not worried about being sued by Marty. He is not coming to Massachusetts to haul me to court. But if he did, I could print out 50 pages of negative posts from YT, RPM, and eBay that show a consistent pattern of deceit and dishonesty. Maybe I would subpoena his eBay account rep, LOL. No, his name is not Larry O'Leary.
 
(quoted from post at 20:55:23 12/11/11) I much prefer sitting at my keyboard, opening my emailed eBay alerts, and sending those preferred parts to "My eBay" watched list. Marty consistently has the parts that I want.

Certainly not all the parts or not in a timely availability. I needed the solid vertical lift link for a 300-400 Fast Hitch this summer to complete my down-pressure snowplow. It took about 10 calls to salvage yards and I finally found an outfit that actually knew what I was talking about and had the part. It cost me $40 plus shipping. If I hadn't been in a hurry, that would be a $9.99 part from Marty and is almost certain to be serviceable and shipped without damage. But I do have some reservations that his crew might not know how to remove it from the tractor.

In another instance, I have been waiting three years for an aluminum hydraulic lever for a 400 Standard Tread. I emailed dealers and salvage yards. Nothing. I printed out a list of salvage yards in small-grain states. Finally found a lever in Canada. They would only sell me the three valves, levers, and linkages as a package. They wanted $500. If I get lucky, Marty may get a 400-450-460-560-660 Wheatland or Orchard and will list the lever separately. Shouldn't have to pay more than $20. This is one of the reasons why I don't like being blocked.

I am not worried about being sued by Marty. He is not coming to Massachusetts to haul me to court. But if he did, I could print out 50 pages of negative posts from YT, RPM, and eBay that show a consistent pattern of deceit and dishonesty. Maybe I would subpoena his eBay account rep, LOL. No, his name is not Larry O'Leary.
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From all that you have said, [u:2b04f1a950]you fully expect to have problems when you deal with him[/u:2b04f1a950], so I'd say you have no right to gripe about it. You get most of your parts at a discounted price and get bitten once in a while and know you are not goint to reform him.... so what's your problem???
 
IH Fan,

Excuse me, but did I kick sand in your face? Don't bother to answer. I won't reply. There will be "no soup for you".

The point of these threads is to point out how the system works and how Marty manipulates it based on my personal experience. I don't need your poisoned counsel or unwanted advice. I can manage my risks.

BTW, I just received more than $150 worth of free parts and shipping at Marty's expense. It cost him more than that due to his overhead. I think I am well ahead at this point.

Reform him ??? I doubt if he will shortchange any more shipping refunds.

If this keeps up, management will delete this thread. That would be a shame.
 
(quoted from post at 18:55:23 12/11/11) I much prefer sitting at my keyboard, opening my emailed eBay alerts, and sending those preferred parts to "My eBay" watched list. Marty consistently has the parts that I want.

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OK if you have not figured this out yet about evilbay.....I'm a seller and you buy something from me that you are not happy because I took a month to ship and leave negative feedback. Now I have not left feedback on you because I'm waiting to see what you are going to do. Once I see the negative from you I write you a negative. Now you contact Ebay and tell them and they in turn contact me. Now you did get what you paid for and I've lodged a complaint against you for what ever reason ture or not. Ebay's only way to resolve the issue is for them to remove both of our negative comments and I get to keep my 99.8 positive rating. Not fair but from what my son who sells a lot on ebay tells me thats what some sellers are doing to keep good ratings.

Maybe it is time for this thread to get deleted along with your other one. First whine cause it looked like Marty got you and now gloating cause you won....but not all the way cause yer banned, so Marty won too....and he's still making money selling the parts you want and can't buy to other people! If you had just made a comment about watching out for this clown and then another that the issue had been resolved things would not have gotten out of hand. Come on, if Ebay bans him (cause he isn't going to change) there goes that cheap source for parts. I for one would never bid on someones stuff if he's already tried to burn me once. And if I were dumb enough to try to do business with the guy again I darn sure wouldn't tell everyone on the net that I'm gullible, I don't care what he's got!

Most of the time you get what you pay for.

Rick
 
Marty may be experienced as a eBay seller, but he doesn't have a clue on how to run his business. I think your understanding is flawed as well. A good seller will not tolerate any negative feedback even if he is selling used merchandise. He will bend over backwards to achieve 100% buyer satisfaction. Those sellers do exist.

The auto companies have been using the Marty Model for years. They will cut corners and know that the law suits will be filed. They figure that is just a cost of doing business and it is cheaper than doing the right thing. It didn't work and that is why we had the auto bailouts. Yes, that is a simplified explanation and doesn't factor in labor problems, govt mandates, unfair foreign competition, economic downturn, and a litigious consuming public.

Marty doesn't do the following:

Inspect parts for serviceability
disassemble with care
describe parts accurately
submit good photos
package well
adopt the "consumer is always right" attitude even if he is an a-hole

His method is too kill as many tractors as possible and make room for more. In other words, move the iron via UPS or the dumpster.

So he uses the block bidder option to artificially distort his Feedback number and reduce his need for stress medications. Blocking is the single biggest reason his parts get so few bids or even no bids. He is killing his market. He is not "winning". He is slowly destroying his business. Just look at the number of people on these threads who won't patronize him.

If I can, I will continue to do business with him only because of price erosion due to his self-induced limited market. I will only bid what might be considered non-destructable items. That bail fit the description. Now I know that I cannot bid hard to ship items. I'd like to get a spare but cheap planetary IPTO, but that is out of the question.
 
(quoted from post at 01:26:16 12/12/11)

OK if you have not figured this out yet about evilbay.....I'm a seller and you buy something from me that you are not happy because I took a month to ship and leave negative feedback. Now I have not left feedback on you because I'm waiting to see what you are going to do. Once I see the negative from you I write you a negative. Now you contact Ebay and tell them and they in turn contact me. Now you did get what you paid for and I've lodged a complaint against you for what ever reason ture or not. Ebay's only way to resolve the issue is for them to remove both of our negative comments and I get to keep my 99.8 positive rating. Not fair but from what my son who sells a lot on ebay tells me thats what some sellers are doing to keep good ratings.
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Just so you know, sellers cant leave negative feedback for buyers anymore. http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/sellerprotection.html

Ebay changed the rules a few years ago due to what is commonly called "retaliatory negative feedback". If a seller gets POed at a buyer for leaving a negative rating, then the seller retaliates by leaving a negative for the buyer. That caused a huge problem for buyers and people tended to just simply not buy (costing Ebay tons of money) or not give honist feedback on bad sellers (which caused more and more buyers to have bad dealings with bad sellers which FURTHER pushed people away from Ebay-again costing Ebay money). Ebay saw how much money they were losing and cured the problem by simply stopping sellers from being able to strike back at buyers. Sellers didnt need to ding feedback, they already had all the tools needed to take care of any problems.
 
(quoted from post at 11:14:04 12/12/11) Marty may be experienced as a eBay seller, but he doesn't have a clue on how to run his business. I think your understanding is flawed as well. A good seller will not tolerate any negative feedback even if he is selling used merchandise. He will bend over backwards to achieve 100% buyer satisfaction. Those sellers do exist.

The auto companies have been using the Marty Model for years. They will cut corners and know that the law suits will be filed. They figure that is just a cost of doing business and it is cheaper than doing the right thing. It didn't work and that is why we had the auto bailouts. Yes, that is a simplified explanation and doesn't factor in labor problems, govt mandates, unfair foreign competition, economic downturn, and a litigious consuming public.

Marty doesn't do the following:

Inspect parts for serviceability
disassemble with care
describe parts accurately
submit good photos
package well
adopt the "consumer is always right" attitude even if he is an a-hole

His method is too kill as many tractors as possible and make room for more. In other words, move the iron via UPS or the dumpster.

So he uses the block bidder option to artificially distort his Feedback number and reduce his need for stress medications. Blocking is the single biggest reason his parts get so few bids or even no bids. He is killing his market. He is not "winning". He is slowly destroying his business. Just look at the number of people on these threads who won't patronize him.

If I can, I will continue to do business with him only because of price erosion due to his self-induced limited market. I will only bid what might be considered non-destructable items. That bail fit the description. Now I know that I cannot bid hard to ship items. I'd like to get a spare but cheap planetary IPTO, but that is out of the question.
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Yes I understand all that you have written. The thing I don't understand is why you don't just drop this.

1. Nothing you say here will affect how this guy is. As long as he's making money he's happy and isn't going to change. So if you are trying to change him from this forum I think yer beating a dead horse. Guys like me wouldn't have done business with him after several post about him in the past and the others who use him and are happy with him are going to keep buying from him.

2. You pinged this guy pretty good with you very first post so why keep on. Now you are to the point of trying to justify why you can't just drop it.

3. Even with his good prices he has in your opinion messed you over or tried to. This has raised your blood pressure, bored us with your rant and make some people think that you cannot be reasoned with. All because you want to save a buck and have repeatedly given this guy a chance to mess you over again. That's call making yourself into a victim and elects little or no sympathy from me

4. OK you got the problem fixed this time after much give and take between both of you and Ebay staff. So OK, I'm happy for you but there is no need to gloat. You did it to yourself in the 1st place by allowing this guy a 2nd, 3rd, 4th or more chance to stick it to you. All so you can rub your Scrooge like hands together while counting the coin you saved. A simple post of "hey problems fixed" would have been good. If this had been the first time you had problems with this guy then I could see you gloating a bit.

So we are at a point in time that you should just drop this whole thing.

Rick
 
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