Here we go again: Deering Decals

JRSutton · Dec 7, 2011

I know there was some discussion on this not all that long ago, so I apologize, but I'm getting mixed answers on this matter.

My 1948 Super A has remnants of decals on the hood that say "mccormick deering", not just "mccormick".

The company I'm trying to buy stickers from tells me the following:
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The "Deering" was only used on the early Letter tractor, i.e., A, B, C, H, M. The later A, B, C, H, and M,s had the "Deering" dropped and evidentially the IH logo added. The "Deering was never used on the Supers. Someone must of combined some decal sets long ago.
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That conflicts with what others have written here in the past, AND what's on my hood.

Obviously the hood may have been replaced at some point, so it's not a sure thing...

BUT - my hood also has what I know is the proper "super A cultivision" stickers. So I KNOW it's not off an A.

And all sticker remnants look pretty damn original. Nobody put new stickers on there any time in the recent past. In fact they were painted over with what appears to be a very old coat of paint.

So I'm not sure if I can trust their answer.

Does anybody have a definite answer? Would the Guy Fay book cover this?

Stephenscity · Dec 7, 2011

Here is a restored A Hope this helps[/img]

Cue P. · Dec 7, 2011

As i understand it, "Deering" would be on decals on a tractor manufactured prior to July of 1949. I am not aware of a difference between Supers and non-Supers. Hows the rain in Sutton? If it doesnt stop soon i may be able to row my tractor down the Blackstone....

John M · Dec 7, 2011

Deacl says its a Super A.

John M · Dec 7, 2011

Would the Guy Fay book cover this?

Yep! And I think, brain is full today, that, as CueP said, you should have the McCormick Deering decal.

JRSutton · Dec 7, 2011

I'm tending towards agreeing with you on the 49 date. My hood really is so old and beat up looking, I can't imagine it's not original.

This rain is miserable. Where are you?

The ground has never had a chance to fully dry out all year, my goat pen turns into slop with the slightest shower.

Very slippery slop I might add. Just went out tonight to lock the goats up, slipped HARD while carrying a bucket of grain.

On the ground, in the mud, in the dark, with a spilled bucket of grain is the LAST place you want to be when your surrounded by a pack of hungry goats!

Damn things were on me like piranahs.

I'm going to have nightmares of their little nibbling lips.

At least nobody could see me (though I'm quite sure a few kids had to have their ears covered)

GregtheDC · Dec 7, 2011

Mr. Sutton, Did you reply to a note I posted about a pic or measurements for a Depth control link for an A-193 plow? if so holler at me please if you have time,
Thanks

JRSutton · Dec 7, 2011

Oh - sorry - I forgot to check back on that one.

More than happy to measure the linkage and take a few pictures.

Nebraska Cowman · Dec 7, 2011

Here is a pic of the old style. This decal was not even available once the newer version came out until restoration supply places started making it a few years ago. So any tractor painted by a dealer would have had the newer style with the "tractorman" IH logo. And most people don't realize that it was very much an "in" thing to repaint tractors. Most all used tractors were re-painted before they were sold. There are very few true "originals"

JRSutton · Dec 7, 2011

created a new topic for the pictures.

JRSutton · Dec 7, 2011

Here are some pictures of why I think my decals might have been original.

It's that where they were is down to bare metal.

I've seen very decals do that before - they take the paint with them when they go. If they were newer decals, I'm not really sure if they'd do THAT.

... but I'm far from a decal expert.

The tractor was obviously repainted once, crudely, and the new paint appears to cover one layer of what I assume is original paint. That new layer covered where these decals would have been. no new ones were applied.

Nothing on the tractor (after taking EVERYTHING apart) leads me to believe it was re-painted more than once, but obviously hard to know for sure.

I don't care what decals I end up with, so not trying to argue that these HAVE to be the ones, I just don't want to go stick one set on just to find out it's the wrong one!

I do want it to be "accurate".

Hoover913 · Dec 7, 2011

Not to highjack the topic, but I would also be interested in the 193 plow depth control link measurements that are mentioned in this thread, and were shown in another thread.

Nebraska Cowman · Dec 7, 2011

You can't be "accurate" because the original decals were water based, not stick-ons. And the other thing is the later decals would have been "correct" later as they were all that would have been available. What I would do is go to the WI archives site and look at pictures. But even that won't be 100% as some may be mis-captioned with the wrong date or be pre-production models that may not truly reflect what was sold.
Farmall A

CNKS · Dec 7, 2011

The company is wrong. The Deering was dropped in mid-1949. The Super A was the first Super series tractor and was first produced in very late 1947. The next Super series was the Super C that appeared in 1951. Info is in Guy Fay's letter series also. Thus the word Super has nothing to do with when Deering was dropped.

CNKS · Dec 7, 2011

Also the IH appeared before the Deering was dropped -- best not to buy decals from that company.

JRSutton · Dec 7, 2011

What you say matches up with what's on my hood, as you can see in the pictures. A little hard to see, but there's the big IH to the left.

I forgot about the wisconsin site. I'll poke around there to see if I can find anything to further back that up.

Thanks everyone.

Nebraska Cowman · Dec 7, 2011

That is an interesting decal. Kind of a transition when they were using the Deering name yet and had started using the IH logo. Can you even buy that one? It will be interesting to see what you find out. I wonder it that was used on the H & M too or just the A?

JRSutton · Dec 7, 2011

I actually found one at Bates -

They sell it with the decal set for a C.

I'm discussing it through email now to see if they can mix and match a set for me.

Someobdy on this site posted the Bates info a few months ago - and I saved the link - can't remember who posted it, but thanks for the info - been having a hard time finding that decal!

CNKS · Dec 7, 2011

Cowman, It was used on all row crop tractors beginning, I believe in 1945 -- At least that is what Maple Hunter Decals says. My dad had a 1947 H with IH McCormick Deering. As you said, when the 47 H was repainted in 1955 it got the IH McCormick decal. The use of IH and the dropping of Deering are not related, far as I know, which isn't much.

JRSutton · Dec 7, 2011

In fairness to them, they at least CARRY the right decal, and took the time to explain what they thought, even if it wasn't 100% right, they were close.

Many other places seem to take a "one size fits all" approach.

If they can mix and match a few decals to give me what I need without buying two sets, I'll be very happy.

JakeE · Dec 7, 2011

one must remember when that tractor was built ,lets say june of 1949 and they ran out of decals,some one working there would say well when we changed over to the new ones we put all those old box of them up above in palette so and so . they would just start using the old stock up, never ever would they shut down the assembly line for a silly lttle thing like decals.i would say most of the farmalls going down the assembly line were already sold.

Dalex · Dec 7, 2011

If it helps anything , My early '49 super "A" just says McCormick above the Farmall

Athol Carr · Dec 7, 2011

The Deering dropped out of use in mid 1949. The early Super A should have the IH symbol and McCormick-Deering above the Farmall. Most of the Super tractors did not appear until the early 1950s except for the Super A which got the name to distinguish it from the original A as it had live hydraulics. The other Super tractors had increased bore and hence power wheres as the Super A had the same engine as the original A, no increase in power except for a slight increase in compression ratio in the gasoline versions.

Super A · Dec 8, 2011

Make sure you get the "Cultivision SUPER A" decal as well. Your tractor has the same decals as mine--it is a '48.

JRSutton · Dec 8, 2011

Yes, I know which ones you mean.

So does your's have the same McCormick Deering decals shown in the pictures I posted?

Would be nice the have this confirmed by someone else with a 48.

JRSutton · Dec 8, 2011

They got back to me regarding mixing a set of decals.

They said they could do a custom set, it'd cost $100.00

Pretty steep.

Especially when I can buy two sets, each with the decals I want for 45 apiece, and combine them myself for $90.00

But even 90 is twice what we budgeted... I might have to shop around, though I'm not very hopeful.

Cue P. · Dec 8, 2011

JR-
I'm in Millville. Grew up in Uxbridge...

Jim Becker · Dec 8, 2011

Check with Bermuda Ken at C&G.
http://www.external_link/

Super A · Dec 8, 2011

Yes, it originally had the McCormick Deering decals like the original ones you showed.

Al

mkirsch · Dec 9, 2011

I can see where Bates is coming from on the price. They have to eat the cost of one set of decals because what's left after they make your "custom" set is unsaleable.

You're getting the early red circle Super A logo with the banner, right? Not the white circle with "SUPER" across the top. Mccormick-Deering and the white Super logo wouldn't be correct.

JRSutton · Dec 9, 2011

yeah, same here.

Not complaining about Bates, I just wish somebody had the right set. I get it was different for only about a year and a half, so not a huge demand for them.

But where all the decals are already made, and just have to be packaged a little differently, you'd think somebody would offer them.

I'm happy that I even have the option to get the right ones through Bates. They're the only ones I've talked to so far who seem willing to help - so I'm more than happy to deal with them.

It's 90 for the two sets, which is a lot. But, I'd be spending half of that anyways, so it's only an extra 45.00. Rather not spend it, but it won't kill me either.

JRSutton · Dec 9, 2011

Oh and yes to the circle point -

I know I need the clear back super a with the "cultivision"

Thanks

JRSutton · Dec 9, 2011

that's right - I know we've "talked" a few times on here - couldn't remember exactly where you were.

Jim Becker · Dec 9, 2011

They're the only ones I've talked to so far who seem willing to help

ave you checked with C&G as I already suggested?

JRSutton · Dec 9, 2011

Not yet - but plan to later today.

Work always gets in the way of tractor stuff...
I type here while stuck on conference calls with clients, etc... like right now.

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