More Marty Madness

Last spring, Marty sent me a bent 3.5" x 8" IH hydraulic cylinder. He knew it was no good because he could not hammer the rod back in for wrapping. I requested a refund through the eBay Buyer Protection plan. He shorted me on the shipping and then banned me from his auctions.

So I opened a new eBay account and email address. I bought a 560 Fast Hitch bail (Marty calls them hoops) and five other items in early NOV. The bail never showed up. Again, he refunded the bail price ($9.99) and less than half of the $30 shipping cost. He banned my new account.

A week ago, I won a 504 Fast Hitch bail (by itself) with a new account and email. He peremptorily declined to ship and returned the bid and all the shipping.

He has another 560 bail closing in a few days. If I get a new account and email, eBay says they will punish me if I bid on Marty's stuff.. My only recourse now is to get a proxy bidder. I have not done anything wrong and there are no winners here. Marty doesn't get my bids and I don't get the parts I need.

The following are the emails between Marty and myself. You should start at the bottom and read up so they stay chronological. My handle is "retiredparts".
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Your problem is that you can't think clearly. I have closed no accounts. You have banned me from your auctions only because I submitted negative feedback which was deserved. I opened new accounts to get the parts that I need. You failed to honor your part of the eBay contract by not shipping after I paid for the item. I still haven't seen that tracking number for the "Hoop" you said you shipped the first week of November. You are a liar.

And a cheat. You tossed the "Hoop" into the dumpster where it will fetch about $5.00 at the scrap yard. You shorted me about $5.00 on the shipping which is an eBay violation, Now you have met the sale price of $9.99 and you didn't have to source cardboard and spend the labor to wrap and label it. If it had bid to $20, you would have shipped it. Let your account rep read that.

I have purchased at least 75 items from you over the years. You never left feedback so I didn't bother. You should be thankful because you would have always gotten failing marks on communication and item description. It became clear to me that you would retaliate if served with a negative feedback. When you sent me a bent hydraulic cylinder, that you knew was bent because it would not close for packaging, I had enough. This happened last spring. I was banned after leaving negative feedback and I opened up a new account. You have to be "nutz" to ban a paying customer. That is the essence of business. Getting and keeping customers. "Stupid" will do and it fits you nicely. BTW, I retired at age 53.

When you get a chance, goto Yesterdays Tractors website and search all the forums for your name. You are not held in high regard.[/b:f96e4e2244]

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From: marty2374
To: retiredparts
Subject: Re: marty2374 sent a message about 1966 Farmall 504 gas Row Crop tractor fast hitch draw bar hoop #160689023929
Sent Date: Dec-06-11 05:54:07 PST

Dear retiredparts,

If you were any kind of A good business man you would not have to close accounts and re open them. That sir is who is dishonest here not me. And you are right we do sell A lot of parts you could use. But unfortunately for you I won't sell to you. And please send your negative. I am here to stay unlike you and your multiple accounts, I sell with the same account and do good business with it. I think that you are the type who wants all things your way no matter what the cost to others, and as far as making 5 bucks on A part as you say, What would the 5 bucks do for me, I would rather have the parts get shipped to their rightful owner and move on to the next part. You also state of all of the problems you have had with me, Why am I just finding out about them now???? You are the sneaky underhanded one here not me. Marty

- marty2374[/i:f96e4e2244]



[b:f96e4e2244]From: retiredparts
To: marty2374
Subject: Re: marty2374 sent a message about 1966 Farmall 504 gas Row Crop tractor fast hitch draw bar hoop #160689023929
Sent Date: Dec-05-11 16:26:32 PST

Dear marty2374,

Slick???. You returned my money and banned me. You failed to ship just like you did with this auction. You don't think that is worth a negative?

I paid immediately and in full. Your obligation was to ship and you have now failed twice on two "hoops". And on several occasions in the past, you have partially stiffed me on the shipping part of a refund. Over the years, I have let many of your short comings slide. Busted distributor caps, broken off bolt butts (that you broke) which I had to extract, small parts from "leaky" packages that were missing, and title description and nomenclature totally inappropriate. When you sent me a bent hydraulic cylinder (not visible in your photo) last spring that could not be retracted, I had enough. I gave you a well deserved negative and you blacklisted me. I trade with you because you have alot of parts for the '54 thru '65 IH tractors that I own. More than anyone else.

Now why is it you won't send the "hoops". UPS lost it??? Yeah right. You made about $5.00 on that first one by NOT shipping it. Why don't you show your account rep the tracking number? I'd like to see it too.

You are going to get another negative. All you had to do was ship this auction. You had the money for Godsakes. Banning me won't allow me to put money in your pocket. It's your loss.

- retiredparts
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From: marty2374
To: retiredparts
Subject: marty2374 sent a message about 1966 Farmall 504 gas Row Crop tractor fast hitch draw bar hoop #160689023929
Sent Date: Dec-05-11 09:30:11 PST

Dear retiredparts,

You sir are pretty slick, you start A new Ebay account after doing what you did with the feedback on Ebay. What are you going to try and do this time?? I have banned you and will not ship parts to you after the last episode we had. I also talked to my account rep about this mess and they are working on it as well. If I am as bad of A seller as you described me to be why go through all of the trouble to start over?? You People never cease to amaze me. Have A nice Day. Marty

- marty2374[/i:f96e4e2244]

if you have had that many bad transactions with him why would you want to buy from him time and time again it just makes no sence

Low initial price.

Most everything I get from him only has one bid.

Ships fast when he feels like shipping. Will combine shipping.

eBay Buyer Protection.

Does alot of disassembly and listing. I have never seen Fast Hitch bails sold by others. Years ago, I went to an auction at Goodrich's near Binghampton, NY. He had a pile a bails destined to go for scrap.

I can usually find at least 5-8 items on most tractors that interest me. One-stop convenience. The Thumb of MI is loaded with the tractors models that I own. You can't take a chance on fragile items. Not worth the hassle.

I have to travel more than 150 miles to find a decent salvage yard in Sharon Springs, NY. And MacFadden's has high prices.

It looks like it's time to part ways with the guy. No good can come from what's going on unless there is a miracle and you become business partners

those of us in the midwest take our local salvage yards and abundant tractors for granted.

I was just thinking about you today, I have a fast hitch cylinder with a broken clevis...

karl f

Send me an email wardner. I still have an acct that
works.

Ya Carl, we are all done unless I change my address, my credit cards, my ISP, or communicate with some policy maker at eBay.

Meanwhile Marty has shot himself in the foot by restricting his market (I am not the only banned bidder) and by throwing more parts into the dumpster.

All he had to do was send good parts or note their deficiencies. A night course in photography would help too. He could double his net with good customer relations.

At this point, I am guessing his eBay account rep is formulating his marketing strategy while the musical strands of "Pump up the Volume" play in the background.

I don't understand, if he's so bad why do you keep going back? If I don't get satisfaction from a business I don't do business with them.

wardner at peoplepc dot com

My eBay accounts all work. I am just forbidden from bidding on Martys' auctions. If upper management knew the whole story, there would be some butt kicking.

Perhaps you have a solution I haven't considered. Can't see how a proxy bid would work when it is 1800 miles away. It would seem that their might be two shipping charges on each package. Don't think Marty's shipping skills would even hold up for two deliveries. The packages are in shreds after one.

Good ebayers are out there. I've had luck so far, one time I messaged the seller complaining about some bird poop on the pages of a manual described as good condition and they sent another copy in fair condition without poop and refunded half. All I wanted was to let them know they should have caught the poop before the auction, and/or described appropriately.

I don't think i've bought from marty, although there was a similar type of listing as marty's usual on some plow parts and It wasn't clear as to one piece or all pictured, but either way I came out ok at the price--got all pictured shipped in a timely manner.

have to focus on the good sometimes. Ebay is like any other auction or gamble--what can you afford to lose? There are no guarantees, just that you will soon be parted from your money.

I wonder how some of these online spats would be if business was conducted face to face--would you get along differently? Would the communication frustrations cease because you're speaking?

people make the world go round...

good luck
karl f

Re: Marty.... "Fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me."
I don't care how badly I might "need" his part, he wouldn't have to do me more than once, and it seems he has gotten to you several times. I have boughten several items over the years on eBay and only had one item that was bad. The lady was honestly not aware of the problem, refunded 100% of the bid price and shipping and we each left positive feedback. When she re-listed the item, she left out the bad part and noted that it was missing.

I am equally disappointed in eBay as I am with the vendor.

The people who are paid to think aren't doing their job.

All sales that are shipped should have tracking numbers accessible to the buyer. That one is so obvious. Why shouldn't both sides of the transaction be held to the same level of proof. The buyer has PayPal or bank statements. The seller has tracking numbers. Credits should not be posted to a seller's account until the tracking number is verified.

Return shipping should be paid by seller. That keeps the seller honest by not sending junk. Yes, buyers can abuse that privilege and should be banned when it happens.

Return shipping should automatically be paid at the original listing price regardless whether combined shipping was offered. Marty scams everyone when he calculates return shipping on a single item in a combined shipping shipment.

I think I would ask his eBay rep to speak to me ON THE PHONE LIKE A REAL PERSON that way the same eBay person is hearing from poth people.

You don't capitolize an A every time you use it...he is a moron in my book.

Why don't you try J.P. tractor salvage in Fredricktown MO 573 783 7055. I have done business with them to fine satisfaction. Bought the parts to convert an 806 to shift like the later 56,66 series.
Also bought other parts if anything was missing they traced it or shipped replacements.
I met Marty once what a jerk in person. Picked up an engine for someone once.

I bought just one used carburetor from marty quite a few years ago. It was junk, no useable parts in it. I chalked it up to my inexperience with ebay at that time, but I have never bought another item from marty. Never will.

It is kind of shame on you for getting burned and being suprised the 4th, 5th, 6th...time but I can understand as well. There are only so many parts out there and he has them while most others don't. I would think of it more like you are paying full price because only half the ones you get are fully functional.

Why do you keep going back to a known dry well looking for water, and scratch your head wondering where the water is when you get there?

The guy is either a crook, a jerk, lazy, extremely slow in the head, or, any combination of the above. We all get it. Do you? There are hundreds of parts yards and dozens of Ebay sellers more honest and pleasant to deal with than this clown.

For your sanity, stop trying to buy parts from this guy. He has wronged you a half-dozen times. If he sends the parts to be melted down, so be it. They were probably junk anyway. He's not going to suddenly repent and become a wonderful, honest, and legit tractor parts seller. It ain't going to happen.

AG

Well Chief, I hate to say it, but ebaY isn't going to do anything for you that isn't related to a pay-off. I believe you'd need to be a billiionaire with a ton of good *** lawyers to get them to even consider dropping a cash cow like marty. I just went through a bucket load of BS with ebaY to get someone booted & nothing, they wont do it. They'll refund your money & hope you feel better about things. They may even entice you with a coupon.... but they will NOT do anything to jeporodise(sp?) their PR or income. F'em! It's all you can do.

I'm going to cool off.

Mike

P.S. IMHO, both ebaYers we are dealing with are tinfoil-hat wearing wierdos. Didja ever notice marty's always wearing gloves? It's so the gov't, aliens, whatever can't get his fingerprints. Lol!

Wardner, what is your goal here? I dont understand your problem, other than Marty is a bad seller with a product that you need/want. What do you want to do, get Marty booted off Ebay? If thats your goal, that can be done pretty easily, especially if you want/need some more parts he has. Do you just want to buy his parts now after he has banned you from buying? Thats easy to do also.

Ebay can be considered a game but you have to know how to play the game to "win". If you know the rules and have a goal, you can win at the game. You have to remember, the deck is stacked against Ebay sellers now more than ever before but you cant use traditional methods like leaving negs to hurt the seller, as you found out, all that does is get you blocked from buying from that seller.

When you look at Martys feedback, it seems pretty clear to me that there are a TON of people that for whatever reason, are being too soft on him. Just look at the sheer number of people that are only leaving neutral feedback on parts that seem to have showed up as junk. If just half of those people would properly ding Marty and file under buyer protection, marty would no longer be allowed to sell on Ebay. http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=marty2374&Dirn=Received+by

Some people have stated that because Marty makes Ebay money, they wont do anything about him. Thats completely false. When transactions start costing Ebay time and money, they will drop sellers like hot potatoes. Ebay KNOWS that when buyers get ------ after getting ripped off, they stop buying. When buyers stop buying, sale prices are lower and since Ebay gets paid based on sale prices, ------ off and ripped off buyers really hurt Ebays bottom line. Ebay has acknowlaged this fact many times and its the prime reason for the changes in feedback and listing fees that have been made in the past several years. Meg Whitman has had several interviews that has also detailed this issue. And its a BIG issue. But to be sure, Ebay WILL drop Marty like a bad habit if his buyers push the right buttons. The question is, do you really want to push them? It sounds like Marty has the drug that you want....

More grease than I ever expected. I will be getting a free bail and 2nd day air shipping (77 lbs). I am even getting some money to make up for the shortfall in the shipping refund.

I checked the new tracking number, and dang, it will be here tomorrow. Don't think that this thread was the catylist. Marty contacted UPS at 5:02 PM yesterday. That was before this thread was started.

Anyway, I have two new messages from my eBay Message Folder. Marty first and then my reply.
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From: marty2374
To: retiredparts
Subject: Re: marty2374 sent a message about 1966 Farmall 504 gas Row Crop tractor fast hitch draw bar hoop #160689023929
Sent Date: Dec-07-11 05:26:58 PST

Dear retiredparts,

Just to let you know you are wrong, and we did ship you last hoop, UPS lost it somewhere in New York. Now you bought another one from A crook like me here A few days ago and I refunded you for it and did ban you as what you done is wrong, you hide behind smoke and mirrors instead of being A man and contacting me to see if we can resolve any issues you have. Now this is how smart you are and how honest I am. You think we tossed your part in the scrap when we did indeed ship it and the tracking was lost in New York. I did not know until you told me that it had not been delivered and I did check the tracking and it had vanished. I then opened A Case with UPS and they were unable to find the part. Then Yesterday I contacted My UPS account rep and told him That I had another part that would replace the other one that was lost I said I would eat the cost of the part if they would eat the freight of the part to get it to you and he agreed to it. So we boxed it and shipped it 2 day air saver and you should have it tomorrow. The UPS tracking # is 1Z5F60490251349431. I am refunding you for the rest of that order you purchased earlier in November to make up for all of the wrong doing I have had towards you in our past history. You in turn will never buy from me again, If you open A new account I will find it and ban you. And I had A chat with my Ebay account manager yesterday and he informed me that you have this trouble with A few buyers out there not just me. He told me it would be in my best interest to keep you banned as you have A few accounts out there that you have done the same thing to. And if you open another account they will take the action necessary. And we both also know I am not the liar as they contacted you on this matter yesterday. Also if I were A dishonest seller I would not have shipped you the second part free of charge. You are the problem to Alot of sellers not the other way around.You said yourself you need my parts, but I don't need problems like you

- marty2374[/i:b01eb72126]

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marty2374
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Re: marty2374 sent a message about 1966 Farmall 504 gas Row Crop tractor fast hitch draw bar hoop #160689023929

You still don't get it. I am not hiding behind multiple accounts. You killed off three of them. They no longer work on your auctions although they are viable elsewhere. I will probably retire the last two accounts because it is a pain-in-the-butt to carry multiple accounts. eBay only allows one "log in" at a time from the same computer and will always default to the last userid when refreshing any acct.

My original account, which I have had for more than 10 years, has perfect feedback. The same can be said for the special accounts I had to create for trading with you. I have invoked the eBay Buyer Protection plan three or four times. Several with you, another with a parts non-delivery from an individual, and a negotiated settlement on a damaged antique ice cream maker that carried a deceptive description. I do have alot of correspondence in my Message Folder. The messages usually involve requests for additional info. I don't send them to you because you won't answer them.

This response is actually about your account rep. He understands that you violated ebay policy by not shipping a purchased item (the second hoop) and by cheating a customer out of his guaranteed refund (the first hoop). He has made you tow-the-line and I thank him for that. Unfortunately, he was not able to effect an attitude adjustment and I can still smell the sour grapes. We both know you are not "honest". Self-delusional certainly applies.

I wrote you regarding the lost hoop around the middle of November. I requested status info. All you had to do was forward a tracking number to me and the scrapping accusations would not have developed. You have just received some good advice for the future.

Thanks to you and UPS for making good on the lost part. It won't forestall a negative feedback that I will be eligible to post on Saturday. All I need is an apology, a lifting of the ban, and a retraction of your unfounded character assassination comments. But it's your life.[/b:b01eb72126]

(quoted from post at 14:15:56 12/07/11)
Thanks to you and UPS for making good on the lost part. It won't forestall a negative feedback that I will be eligible to post on Saturday. All I need is an apology, a lifting of the ban, and a retraction of your unfounded character assassination comments. But it's your life.[/b]

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Just FYI, you are not allowed to use feedback as a threat. Asking for a apology, asking for your buying ban to be lifted and asking for a retraction of character assassination comments is viewed by Ebay as feedback extortion. Why would you care about that? Because if Marty is smart enough to complain to Ebay about it, its a slam dunk case to get ALL of your feedback against Marty removed. Not only does that make Marty look better but makes it much harder for the negative numbers that he earns from everybody else have any effect on him or his account.

When you do things like this, it makes you look bad and Marty look good in Ebays eyes, no mater what the truth is.

No, Marty can stay. Perhaps he is overworked and has no idea "how to" or time to improve his business.

"Do you just want to buy his parts now after he has banned you from buying? Thats easy to do also."

Yes, I could use some coaching on that subject.

Marty does have a good Feedback Rating. I guess most people just don't want the hassle. I know I didn't until I really got shafted with that bent piston rod that was clearly junk although not discernible in his auction picture.

If Marty's such a jerk stay away from him, find someone else to get your parts from. Yes E-bay sucks and E-bay continues to suck because they make a lot of money of off people without any ethics- buyers and sellers. I have two bad feedbacks on my E-bay account, one where I complained about a part I bought because the seller misrepresented it has something it wasn't, I asked him to fix it so he slimed me in feedback, I counter struck him. I would never buy from him again even if he was still on E-Bay. The second one was a week after this idiot screwed me on the car fender, I ordered 2 ball joints, they shipped one, I left the negative feedback 1st rather than giving them an opportunity to draw first blood in the feedback war, they shipped the other ball joint with no cost to me but left negative feed back because I didn't try working with them first. I would deal with them again, they made a mistake but apologized & fixed it, I let E-Bay know they did do right by me. The bottom line is if Marty's a snake and you want to deal with him don't be suprised when you get bit, that's what snakes do, leave the feedback and move on, eventually it'll catch up to him.

Rich, I understand your rationale. You may be right.

However, I don't think it is asking too much to return to square one. It was started by Marty knowingly sending out junk and a follow up banning out of the blue.

I just checked that sale from last spring and I didn't even leave any feedback. I read all his negatives and neutrals for the year and my original userid was not to be found. I was banned for voicing a valid complaint. He made a refund and terminated my right to bid his stuff.

Back on the 4th of November, I bought 5 or 6 items which included the lost 560 bail. Today, PayPal has finished returning the entire transaction which comes to $154.19. I get to keep everything and will receive a replacement bail via 2nd day air tomorrow.

It's nice to see eBay pushing its weight around. Marty must feel like he's been run through a corn picker. Looks like eBay wants to teach him a lesson.

I hardly think Marty is more than a tiny yellow stain on eBay's undershorts. Ebay has millions of sellers dealing in far more valuable items than this nickle-and-dime tractor parts racket.

"Cash cow." It is to laugh.

Well Wardner, I hate to say it, but I think you've entered into a good old fashined pi$$ing match. Nobody wins. Sad part is, Guys like him go around, sometimes get these tractors for nothing, and try to part them out. To have such low prices on some parts, He must have gotten the tractor cheap, so it must have been junk to begin with, Otherwise it would have went high enough that he couldn't justify buying it. And I hate this logic, but junk tractors really only have a place in the scrap yard, anyway. Good parts tractors, and sometimes even good running tractors that get torn down for parts, get bought by usually reputable people and the tractors have good parts that are useable on them. Yep, us midwesterners are blessed with plentiful parts tractors and Salvage yards. Thankfully, I don't need too many parts, and I have a few places not too far away I can deal with. I don't have any good answers for you. I think I understand your frustration, though. Only hope I can offer is that if his business is as bad as it sounds, he will eventually go away. If he's the A$$ that he sounds like, he's had to turn to e-bay to keep his business going, as locals have figued him out and won't deal with him. Good luck. -Andy

Wardner, I really like some of the custom work you've done and enjoy your posts........

but you are starting to remind me of Chief Inspector Dreyfus from the Pink Panther movies whenever he would be around or talk about Clouseau...............

Sorry.

(quoted from post at 04:29:40 12/07/11) Re: Marty.... "Fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me."
I don't care how badly I might "need" his part, he wouldn't have to do me more than once, and it seems he has gotten to you several times. .

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To add to what I posted earlier.... since he obviously doesn't want to sell to you any more, I doubt his service to you will ever get any better. If he figures out you are "proxy buying", he is for certain going to send you junk in the future. Anyone living within easy driving distance of you will be suspected as your proxy buyer and it wouldn't be worth it to pay for two shipping costs to have someone farther away buy for you.
Just let him go... he's only going to get you more frustrated and life is too short.

sounds like justice has been served

I doubt if Marty knows that MA and NH share a border. I live three miles below the border and have tractor friends above the border. There are also eBay facilitators who buy and sell for those who can't be bothered or are computer illiterate. I doubt if Marty has even read this thread even though I tipped him off to it. I'll bet his eBay account rep has though.

On the whole, proxy buying is very inconvenient and or costly. I would only use it if Marty lands some kind of rarity.

But the last shoe hasn't dropped yet. I may test bid (on all three eBay accounts) some of his 560 parts that close tonight. Saturday will be the first day I can leave neutral or negative feedback. I will probably go negative and use my 80 characters to praise eBay management.

I think there is a good chance that the banning will be lifted. And if it is, he won't dare to send me any junk. This entire experience has been very humiliating for him and he won't be looking for an encore.

If you buy a 5$ part its a crap shoot.I have got a lot of parts cheap from Marty most are good parts.Why get on here and cry like a baby over a 5$$$$ part it makes you look a fool.

The Pink Panther era has to be at least 50 years old and I don't even remember Inspector Dreyfus. Peter Sellers is about the only thing that still sticks. Why? My mother would burst into gales of laughter every time he was on screen. She did the same for Jerry Lewis.

I think this whole experience has been a benefit to the tractor community. eBay has slammed Marty hard and they will be watching him. I am sure that Marty has also received a list of "suggestions" that may change how he conducts his business.

People wonder why I trade with Marty. It all comes down to price. Most of the stuff I buy only gets one bid. That would be my bid a $9.99. When I price that part via other eBay sellers or cold calls to salvage yards, pricing generally comes back at $50 to $100. Buyer Protection has worked for me and keeps me coming back. And I really like keeping the mileage on my truck below 2000 miles a year. God bless eBay and the Internet. Where else can I get new serviceable T-shirts for less than a buck apiece.

ktp460,

Sorry, man. That went right over my head. Marty offers everything at $9.99 plus shipping.

Don't think you read this entire thread but I don't blame you. It's getting long.

Wardner, I'm sure that one carburetor I bought from Marty was CHEAP, and that is why I bought it, but as it turned out, the carburetor was pure junk, which meant I paid the shipping and basically got nothing in return, so it turned out to be one of the more expensive items I ever bought on Ebay. I don't remember now what kind of feedback I left, or even if I bothered to leave ANY feedback.

I would think that if ENOUGH folks voice their opinion to Ebay, Marty just might lose his venue for selling, and then MAYBE he will cease knocking these tractors in the head, and let a reputable salvage operater have a chance. Someone who KNOWS the difference between a part that SHOULD be offered to someone who needs it, and a part that should just go on the scrap heap.

My original post is cheerfully withdrawn. OP has no sense of logic, and explaining it to him has done nothing.

AG

Marty is a dishonest individual saying that these parts came off a running tractor. Which we all know these tractors are non running and probably sitting outside for years. A reputatable parts/salvage dealer knows what's good or bad, and they discard the bad parts.

I think a carburetor would be borderline for me. If he wrote that it came from a running tractor I would still anticipate a rebuild kit. Any sheetmetal, items with glass, or most electrical parts have high risk. That would come primarily from shipping damage for which he is well known. I see Marty as pretty much untrainable so I don't expect his shipping skills will improve. Someday he may actually have a competent shipping department staffed by others.

I buy alot of Fast Hitch components. He has sent me at least six or seven 350-450-460-560 rock shafts. It seems like every tractor I work on now gets a front Fast Hitch so I need alot of misc FH components. I don't want to spend $300-$500 plus freight for a complete hitch, most of which I won't use. The bail (hoop, as he calls it) that I wanted will be used to make an anchor, outrigger, FH socket receiver for the front winch on my 660. I could bend something up but I like using factory parts when I can. It's also why I almost always use IH tie-rod hydraulic cylinders. I like keeping it in the family.

Marty's feedback rating is too high for him to lose his privileges. Most people aren't looking to start a fight, especially with someone who is so irrational. To be honest, I never thought my recent bidding and communication efforts with Marty would turn out the way they have. He made a tactical error by bringing in his account rep. They turned the tables on him.

AG in IN,

eBay notified me this week that my two recently opened accounts cannot be used to stage an end run around being banned. If I use these accounts to win more of Marty's auctions, I will face sanctions. I suppose that means all accounts (3) will be terminated and I won't be able to re-establish a new account. These were form letters and probably obligatory.

As I noted in a previous post, I think Marty is untrainable. He will never gain fluency with the nomenclature of various tractor parts. But I don't think he will short change returned shipping charges again. That practice cost him more than $150 in my case and maybe much more if eBay wants to investigate. If some compliance committee wants to go at Marty, he could be out thousands.

I do praise eBay for policing its turf. But it is hard to get their attention. When Marty would send a partial refund, it would effectively close the case. I couldn't find a way to re-open it or effectively appeal his action. Marty's recent troubles began when he brought in his account rep.

(quoted from post at 09:37:48 12/08/11) I think a carburetor would be borderline for me. If he wrote that it came from a running tractor I would still anticipate a rebuild kit. Any sheetmetal, items with glass, or most electrical parts have high risk. That would come primarily from shipping damage for which he is well known. I see Marty as pretty much untrainable so I don't expect his shipping skills will improve. Someday he may actually have a competent shipping department staffed by others.

I buy alot of Fast Hitch components. He has sent me at least six or seven 350-450-460-560 rock shafts. It seems like every tractor I work on now gets a front Fast Hitch so I need alot of misc FH components. I don't want to spend $300-$500 plus freight for a complete hitch, most of which I won't use. The bail (hoop, as he calls it) that I wanted will be used to make an anchor, outrigger, FH socket receiver for the front winch on my 660. I could bend something up but I like using factory parts when I can. It's also why I almost always use IH tie-rod hydraulic cylinders. I like keeping it in the family.

Marty's feedback rating is too high for him to lose his privileges. Most people aren't looking to start a fight, especially with someone who is so irrational. To be honest, I never thought my recent bidding and communication efforts with Marty would turn out the way they have. He made a tactical error by bringing in his account rep. They turned the tables on him.

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That carburetor, just like every other carburetor I buy, was intended to be totally rebuilt and then resold. Even the carburetors I have bought with the description "just removed from a running tractor" get the full rebuild treatment. There just isn't any way that a carburetor can be removed, stored on a shelf for several months, and then re-installed and be expected to function in a reasonable fashion. All of them need attention of one sort or another.

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"Do you just want to buy his parts now after he has banned you from buying? Thats easy to do also."

Yes, I could use some coaching on that subject.

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Thats simple, like you mentioned, buying by proxy. Friends and relatives that live nearby is the easiest. Be warned though, if Marty ever connects you to whoevers account you are using could ban and shut down that account for ANY use of Ebay. Ebay takes that type of fraud pretty seriously too.

How hard is it to set up a LLC for a business in your state? Here in WI its stupid simple and if you do it right, totally anonymous. Its super cheap too so just one or two transactions after setting up an account would save you as much as shipping a heavy part twice.

Remember, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

(quoted from post at 16:20:56 12/07/11) Rich, I understand your rationale. You may be right.

However, I don't think it is asking too much to return to square one. It was started by Marty knowingly sending out junk and a follow up banning out of the blue.

I just checked that sale from last spring and I didn't even leave any feedback. I read all his negatives and neutrals for the year and my original userid was not to be found. I was banned for voicing a valid complaint. He made a refund and terminated my right to bid his stuff.

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I think its too much to ask. I think its [b:8244b7ae2c][i:8244b7ae2c]way [/i:8244b7ae2c][/b:8244b7ae2c]too much to ask. If I was Marty, I wouldnt sell to you if you had a gun to my head. Its simple, you cause headaches for him. He dont want your headaches so he is making a choice not to sell to you. You are forgetting, thats his right. He may be streaching the truth by saying you are the only one that has a problem but look at it differently, as you said most of the stuff you buy sells for mininum bid of $10. Big heavy parts..... for $10..... with a headache because of the buyer. Remember you said it yourself, if it dont sell, he just throws it in the scrap pile and gets 10 cents a pound with no hassle. Why would he want a hassle from you for a couple bucks? He has plenty of schmucks buying what he has for sale.

I will tell you how to bump him of Ebay if you want to. I will tell you how to buy from him the back door way now that you are banned. I will even teach you how to rip him off the proper way so when Ebay looks into it you come out smelling like a rose and he looks like a criminal as long as it makes you feel like you are getting your pound of flesh. I will do that because I respect all you do here to help people with information. But I wont do it because I think you are in the right. I think you got a screw loose. Marty has some problems, some serious problems. But I think you have more for wanting to do business with him knowing all that. For wanting to [b:8244b7ae2c][i:8244b7ae2c]continue[/i:8244b7ae2c][/b:8244b7ae2c] doing business with him knowing his cheese is not fully on the cracker. My advice though is to let it go. Dont buy from him. People boycott shopping at places like WalMart for much lesser reasons. Think about that. And you continue just because you have alot of tractors that use parts he sells? Thats crazy talk. I would smash my tractors (or any hobby equipment) into bits if somebody like Marty was my affordable lifeline for hobby parts. Life is too short, dont let greed control your life like that.

Just my opinion. Sorry if it comes off harsh but no other way to say it.

Turn your sound up and watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEcsgbwBFRs

An LLC needs a shipping address other than a PO Box. It also needs a separate computer and ISP. That means I have to spend time in a library in an adjacent town to be safe. It would also need a new banking account or credit card, PayPal account with verification, and new eBay account. It's all too much work to do business with an idiot who will use his block bidder option with no discretion but with plenty of impunity.

I would imagine his block bidder's list is huge. Might be approaching the 5000 person limit. It is probably the single largest factor for his 99.6 feedback rating. Nobody gets a chance to "Neg" him twice, and in most cases, even once. He will pre-emptorily zap a buyer for nearly no cause.

Now I understand why eBay won't allow me to use another account after one has been blocked. If I was so inclined, I could make an unlimited number of purchases and "neg" them all. I do feel lucky that I'll get another crack at his feedback on Saturday.

Meanwhile, his bidder's pool is dwindling and he is nearly giving away the store to those who can still bid. You gotta wonder if dealer's are buying his stuff and relisting to people like me who have been blocked. I wonder how long he can keep this up? There is another Michigan guy who is starting to use the Marty Model with $9.99 opening bids.

Man, it sure is "Dog eat dog" out there. Do I hear Frank Sinatra humming a few bar of "That's Life".

I believe it's too late.... his guy has already consumed your life. Not sure who's madness this is any more.

Rich,

Y'know, Marty is the author of his own problems. Take packaging for example. This last purchase went bad because the Fast Hitch bail (hoop) split its box and the shipper and shippee could no longer be identified. That bail got sent to a dumpster in NY State. The second bail, supplied by Marty and sent 2nd-day-air free at eBay's insistence, almost didn't make it as well. The two ends had already punctured the used oversized flat-screen TV box in two places.

And then there are the broken-in-shipment parts and the defective prior-to-shipment parts. God help us if he actually owned a torch.

I don't want him to go away. I just want an attitude adjustment whereby he "aims-to-please" instead of treating his buyers as adversaries. He would have more bidders and higher nets. He appears to be a shooting star and should disappear via his own stupidity soon.

I don't want a "pound of flesh" but I would like to know about the tactical initiatives in your second paragraph. Is there an eBay guerilla warfare manual available somewhere. I know you are going to say "Sure. You can get it on eBay".

IH Fan,

Ok, so you are a "turn the other cheek" type of guy.

I just like being treated with a little respect particularly when it comes to business. Sellers should be grateful that I am willing to buy. And then you have Marty.

Wardner, most of us are "turn the other cheeks" guys...

That is, we turn our BUTT cheeks toward guys like Marty and walk away shaking our heads instead of dragging out a 4+ page thread on the subject.

(quoted from post at 08:14:27 12/09/11) Wardner, most of us are "turn the other cheeks" guys...

That is, we turn our BUTT cheeks toward guys like Marty and walk away shaking our heads instead of dragging out a 4+ page thread on the subject.

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You got that right. I'm not saying you should have done nothing, but after being "taken for a ride" a few times, I learned to not do business with someone like that. I have had my problems with roofers, plumbers and electricians doing a sloppy job, and after giving them a chance to make it right, I tried someone else until I found someone that could or would do the job right. Same thing applies here, find another source and kiss this guy goodby instead of trying to reform him... it ain't gonna' happen.

(quoted from post at 00:40:03 12/09/11) Rich,

Y'know, Marty is the author of his own problems.

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I realize that and I agree. You also have a large stake in this though because [b:4658c4e49d][i:4658c4e49d]YOU[/b:4658c4e49d][/i:4658c4e49d] continue to do business with him. As Einstein said, Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Marty aint going to change, why are you expecting him to?

(quoted from post at 00:40:03 12/09/11)I don't want a "pound of flesh" but I would like to know about the tactical initiatives in your second paragraph. Is there an eBay guerilla warfare manual available somewhere. I know you are going to say "Sure. You can get it on eBay".

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Its funny you say that because, yes in fact you can get most of that info at ebay.com. Did you know that Ebay has a [i:4658c4e49d][b:4658c4e49d] huge[/b:4658c4e49d][/i:4658c4e49d] forum? Tons of sellers post there every day sharing tricks on how to do business better. Unfortunatly many of the ways of doing business "better" is how to effectively stop buyers from making claims against the sellers. They openly share those tricks although they stop short of sharing the ones that are common but against Ebay rules.

If you have a specific goal in mind or a "tactical initiative" you would like to impliment, ask away. I already went over the LLC option and you shot that down (although I dont think you have a clue how easy it can be to set up an LLC in another state outside of where you live but I digress). If you got something in mind, somebody can help you but just whining that "Marty wont be a great seller and I want to buy his stuff" is nothing more than acting like an 8th grade girl. If thats all you are doing then all I can say is grow up.

Marty had a 560 "hoop" close tonight. It got 10 bids to $36. On top of that, he raised the shipping to $40 from $25 for one previously and $30 for another.

I wonder if he thought I was sneaking in another bid and had his shill raise the price. I can assure everyone that I did not open another account and place a bid. I can't because eBay will cancel my accounts if I do. I don't need another one anyway.

I have not laid any groundwork for a proxy bidder. It may be a couple of weeks before that happens. My friend is having foot surgery and will probably spend alot of time in front of his computer soon.

These "hoops" normally don't sell or, at best, only get one or two bids.
560 eBay link for Martys bail

People have pegged you I'm afraid. Such a penny pincher that you are willing to take a risk trying to save a penny! You are really showing sighs of obsessive behavior.

Not trying to be mean.

I quit using Ebay a few years ago because of problems like you have been having. It just isn't worth the stress! I have enough going on with family, freinds, the farm, VA and disabilities that I don't need more things going on.

As people have stated you give advice and help on here freely but it's getting to the point with this stuff about Marty that you need to find another vendor and move on. You are spending way too much time on this rant and Marty.

Rick

(quoted from post at 23:26:38 12/09/11) People have pegged you I'm afraid. Such a penny pincher that you are willing to take a risk trying to save a penny! You are really showing sighs of obsessive behavior.

Not trying to be mean.

I quit using Ebay a few years ago because of problems like you have been having. It just isn't worth the stress! I have enough going on with family, freinds, the farm, VA and disabilities that I don't need more things going on.

As people have stated you give advice and help on here freely but it's getting to the point with this stuff about Marty that you need to find another vendor and move on. You are spending way too much time on this rant and Marty.

Rick

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[b:0a84da6651]AMEN!!! [/b:0a84da6651](or is that politically incorrect?)