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souNdguy

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my recently worked on C right now has a straight pipe with raincap.



I kinda like the beefy look of it and the throaty sound it makes.



A couple people have mentioned I should put a muffler on it.



Here are my thoughts..



1, I don't plan on 'working' this tractor much. I think it will be a runabout, mail getter, and geral all around fun-time play-stress reliever for me... though I do plan pn putting a 3pt on her.. as soon as I design and build it.. :)



2, I did this on a shoestring budget.. and ran out of string before I got to the part where it needed a muffler instead of a pipe.. :)



now, new development... I do a lil parts swapping and stuff with some buddies, and can get a NOS stanley muffler he has, that should fit up fine..already put the caliper on it .. etc..



just cost me a box of odds n end spares ..e tc. nothing I can't part with.. some odd brackets for mowers and a disc..e tc...



but.. don't know if I actually want to.. i *DO* like the look of that solid stack and the sound.. :)



opinions?



soundguy
 
I have both. I like the look and sound of a straight pipe too, but sometimes I like the quiet of a muffler. A muffler allows me to talk to people while I’m driving or answer a cell phone call.
 
When all of my tractors were still working machines (not that long ago mind you, time hit about 1960 here and then stopped) they all had straight pipes. My grandfather said they ran warm with the muffler, honestly I think he just liked the noise.

Now that I'm the one in charge of them I've mixed it up a bit. The A has a muffler (which is really for the 200 we used to have) and the BN doesn't. Just to get on and put around I like the straight pipe BUT every now and then when I really work them I like the muffler. I'm fairly young and want to keep my hearing, having my ears ringing at the end of the day isn't all that fun.

The only thing I can tell you about the Stanly muffler is that it will quiet your C down some but they're still kind of loud. They also tend to rust pretty quick. I really like the Nelson muffler I have on my SM, that's a nice unit that sounds good and doesn't show hardly any wear.

The OEM muffler (real IH) I have on the A is really nice too, I just wish dad didn't run into a beam with it and dent it...they're not making those things anymore!
 
I have a 1941 H, put on a Stanley muffler, and it isn,t very quiet at all. In fact, I made a complaint @ a Stanley muffle on TOOL TALK. The response was to contact Mark,s Mufflers our of Illonois, @ he has the orirginal baffled ones with the IH stampings. He Is a farmer, does this as a side line, so is quit hard to reach. A muffler with no baffle is nothing but A straight pipe with abig bulge, A STANLEY Muffler well described.
 
Mine will get the original type style and sound mufflers from Carter and Gruenewald when they get them done in a couple of months. I remember what those tractors sounded like when new, very different from other makes. A very distinct sound that many people have never heard. That is what I want and already have one on a C and one on a Super H that Mark's Tractors sold before he apparantly went out of business. If you want the current muffler get it from CaseIH, loud but not anything like a straight pipe. Personally I do not like straight pipes because I know what it is supposed to sound like -- it is your decision, there are no rules. By the way I lost probably half my hearing because of that sound I liked in the 50's. Also because of the equipment I have used since then. Hearing protection is the only way to go.
 
(quoted from post at 19:04:11 11/17/11) Mine will get the original type style and sound mufflers from Carter and Gruenewald when they get them done in a couple of months. I remember what those tractors sounded like when new, very different from other makes. A very distinct sound that many people have never heard. That is what I want and already have one on a C and one on a Super H that Mark's Tractors sold before he apparantly went out of business. If you want the current muffler get it from CaseIH, loud but not anything like a straight pipe. Personally I do not like straight pipes because I know what it is supposed to sound like -- it is your decision, there are no rules. By the way I lost probably half my hearing because of that sound I liked in the 50's. Also because of the equipment I have used since then. Hearing protection is the only way to go.
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That is what I am waiting for.
 
I have a high frequency hearing loss at the resonant frequency of a straight pipe on an H. The hearing loss is substantial and has contributed to the loss of intelligibility of speech. The cilia in your hearing apparatus do not grow back, when broken, they are toast. The effect is cumulative, not noticeable on each loss. Others are also affected when withing a few yards of the tractor.
Equipment is both entertainment and responsibility.
I live with my mistake. Jim
 
I am with others on the Stanley muffers....just not much more than a straight pipe. I needed a muffler last spring for my C, and spent the extra at the dealer, but still long for the original style, and may look hard at one from Carter Gruenwald when they come out with them.
 
Far as I know the C&G mufflers will not have a baffle. Because the original ones did not either. Neither did the ones from Mark's Tractors.
 
I ran an H with a muffler about 10 hours a day in the summer and on many weekends when I was in school in the 50's. Hearing protection was virtually unheard of. After 4 or 5 hours at lunch or in the evening, when I would get off my ears would be numb. Thought nothing of it since in a few minutes they were normal -- so hearing loss started when I was 12. I was away from tractors in the 60's when I was employed elsewhere or in graduate school. Started again with my agronomist job in the early 70's, when I started doing mostly dryland minimum and notill research. About 1980 I got the message and started wearing protection -- too late. It continues to to get worse.
 

... great CNKS has me intrigued now.

Getting the feeling my already too tight tractor budget just got a little tighter.

Any idea what they'll cost?
 

Agreed - whenever I put the muffler on, I always wonder why I bother.
It is essentially just a straight pipe with some insulation wrapped around it.

I mean it's a LITTLE quieter. There IS a difference, but if you're looking to save money, I'm not sure I'd pay the price of a muffler for that difference.

Besides, if you LIKE the sound of it now I see no reason to bother.
 
If it won't cost anything, i.e. cash, then go for it. It gives you one more option. As others have said the stanley mufflers still talks plenty. I have one IH muffler with the baffle and it sounds significantly different.

Just playing around for a bit at a time won't mess up your hearing. Just the extended time exposure as others have said.

I still enjoy an exhaust bark now and then but my loud exhaust days are well past me. In college I had (and still do) a '70 Camaro that had a 454 with 3" exhaust and flowmaster mufflers that would set off car alarms just idling through the grocery store parking lot!
 
Who made the ones with the baffle as i would like to buy some. The two original ones with the small outlet on the B sure sound good nice and quiet.
 
Run some kind of muffler!

I have the Stanley on My Super M and it does make a difference.Granted,it it still kinda loud,but MUCH quieter than the open pipe.I am a fan of a good sounding engine as much as the next guy.Their aint nothing like a V 6 or V8 Detroit wide open at full throttle with no mufflers,but to sit thru that ALL day,you got to be kidding me!!!

I rode a TD 15 International dozer(borrowed) with a 5" open straight pipe several days leveling out the foundation for my house.My ear muffs were on the whole time! That friggin turbo "whine" was ear piercing !!!!!

Like Jim is saying farther down this post,over time,it does cause un repairable hearing damage.It is usually a gradual degredation that happens over a long period of time.Most poeple who sustain hearing damage do not realize it untill it is too late!
 
I fully second what Janicholson and CNKS said about hearing loss. There is NO cure, a hearing aid is so so, and leads to social isolation. Beware!
Wear hearing protection if the noise level is 80 dBa or higher for more than a few hours.
80 dBa or higher is when you cannot have a normal conversation with someone sitting besides you (like in a car) without raising your voice.
HTH, Hendrik
 
Dad always took the muffler off and put in a straight pipe on his C or SC when he was doing heavier work, like plowing or disking, but had the muffler on when cultivating, mowing, raking or whatever... said it had a little more power. I think he just liked the sound because he always put "glass-packs" on his cars. Maybe the straight pipes were the start of my hearing loss.
About noise and ear protection:
Everyone talks about the noise from jet engines as being so bad.... you should walk into a concrete block hydraulic piston pump test cell with 5 or 6 pumps running at 5000psi. I know for a fact it can be over 140db because I have checked it with a decibal meter. Even with molded ear plugs [u:181b34c898]and[/u:181b34c898] muffs it wears on you after a while.
 
Been many years since I saw (or heard) one of the orginals with small outlet pipe, but now that you mention it, I believe you are correct in they had no baffle, and my guess is that the smaller outlet pipe helped the sound. Those that have not heard what the 113, and 123 engines sounded like working with that muffler will not appreciate it, however I can still hear dad cutting hay or cultivating corn with the C (same one I now have). I always thought it funny, as he would actually sing while working the C, and I am pretty sure he thought no one could hear him, however the exhaust was quiet enough that the transmission whine, and his voice was louder than the exhaust with it working several hundred yards away in the field. That was back in the mid 60's, and dad sure loved his C. My mom used to say how she loved to hear dad working in the fields on his tractor. It does not get as much use now, however believe it or not I cut about 60 acres of hay using his C and sickle mower each year. Some (including my wife) think I am odd using that old rusty C and sickle mower.
 
I like the quiet of a muffler because I don't like to wear hearing protection, but I do wear it when I need to.

That said, I'm not sure a C will make all that much noise anyway with or without a muffler.

I am continually amazed at how many people think an engine always has more power with a straight pipe. Maybe on a race car, but not on these low RPM 4 cylinder engines.

When I was a kid working around loud machinery and concrete breakers I wore my hearing protection. The old timers used to make fun of it, but I wore it anyway. They were mostly deaf and in their 50's. Now I am the old timer in my late 50's and I still have my hearing.

Who got the last laugh?
 

Great point on the social isolation. I can't partake in group conversations anywhere where there's ambient noise, like a restuarant or bar.

I don't use a hearing aid - maybe I should. But the point is, there's more to losing your hearing than just not being able to hear!

I keep a couple of those big containers full of earplugs around in all my various tool boxes. That way I never have an excuse not to use them to save what little hearing I have left.

I find the ear muffs block out too much noise. Hard to hear if somebody's yelling at you to stop, so they kind of impose another safety risk. The ear plugs at least take the edge off the noise, and still let you hear other things around you.
 
(quoted from post at 19:06:07 11/17/11)
(quoted from post at 19:04:11 11/17/11) Mine will get the original type style and sound mufflers from Carter and Gruenewald when they get them done in a couple of months. I remember what those tractors sounded like when new, very different from other makes. A very distinct sound that many people have never heard. That is what I want and already have one on a C and one on a Super H that Mark's Tractors sold before he apparantly went out of business. If you want the current muffler get it from CaseIH, loud but not anything like a straight pipe. Personally I do not like straight pipes because I know what it is supposed to sound like -- it is your decision, there are no rules. By the way I lost probably half my hearing because of that sound I liked in the 50's. Also because of the equipment I have used since then. Hearing protection is the only way to go.
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That is what I am waiting for.
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I agree with the above.

If you are wanting to get a muffler, I would not waste your money on anything other than the original-type mufflers that C&G are making. The rest of the mufflers on the market are basically straight pipes anyway. There is nothing like that sound that a C makes. It's hard to describe. You just have to put that original-type muffler on, and then you'll say "Yep, that's a C!"

I doubt you will be disappointed with getting that original-type muffler. You can always put the straight pipe on and wake up the neighbors when you want to.
 
(quoted from post at 02:34:56 11/18/11) my recently worked on C right now has a straight pipe with raincap.
I kinda like the beefy look of it and the throaty sound it makes.
A couple people have mentioned I should put a muffler on it.
...
I do a lil parts swapping and stuff with some buddies, and can get a NOS stanley muffler he has, that should fit up fine..already put the caliper on it .. etc..
...don't know if I actually want to.. i *DO* like the look of that solid stack and the sound.. :)
opinions?
soundguy
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You own it, you ought to do what you want with it. If you have neighbors like mine, a few hours with a straight pipe, even on a small tractor, might have them offering you suggestions.

Some Stanley mufflers have baffles, some don't. I have one on a Case tractor that has baffles, and it's pretty quiet. All the ones I have on IH tractors don't have baffles, but they do cut the noise level down some.

I haven't had one Stanley muffler that I've bought in the last five years that didn't leak somewhere within the first year. One fell apart completely on a Farmall M in about 50 hours. I have a couple of Stanley mufflers that have been on tractors for 15+ years that are in as good of or better shape than a 3 year old one.

If the NOS one is actually "old", it's a decent muffler quality-wise, but it's not the silencer the original IH ones were.

If you're worried about your hearing, buy ear plugs or even better hearing protection. When I plow a tank or two of gas out of my M with a Stanley muffler, that tractor still echoes in my head the next day.

AG
 
I don't think any of the original ones had a baffle, the current one sold by CaseIH has a baffle, it is not a Stanley.
 
(quoted from post at 08:00:04 11/18/11) I don't think any of the original ones had a baffle, the current one sold by CaseIH has a baffle, it is not a Stanley.
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Those would be the Nelsons. I actually think you can get either a Nelson or a Stanley from CaseIH, it's just depends on how your dealer orders them.

Ken Updike explained it all in a thread over at RPM, if I can turn it up I'll link to it.

K
 
My old C has a very nice stainless pipe on it that a freind made me. It has always been just fine with me till I took it on a 25 mile tractor ride. Going up hill when the govener would open it was awful. And I had ear plugs in. At the end of the day my ears where ringing bad. Will NOT do that agian without a muffler.
 
If you value your hearing, you will opt for a muffler. I abandoned straight pipes on all my tractors for mufflers of one kind or another. Any muffler will offer some protection as opposed to a straight pipe.
 
Centex,

A little off subject,but I STILL have my Camaro,

It is a big block,and ISTILL run mufflers on it (5" Flowmasters :)

It can be loud!
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Now that is what I'm talking about. I used to be a drag race fan, and went to several NHRA events, and Super Chevy Shows in the mid to late 80's, and owned a couple Chevelles (one big block). Speaking of noise, I always thought I had heard noise until the first time I went to see a nitro burning fuel dragster. I had seen all sorts of blown gas, and alcohol burners, but nothing compares to the noise emitted from a nitro burner.
 
Amen to that! - nitro's are the BEST.

Getting near one is literally like somebody standing in front of you beating on your chest - hard and fast.

I'd have to say there's actually only one sound in the world that's better, and that's an f15 with afterburners screaming a couple hundred feet over your head.
So much raw power it almost forces you to stand up and salute.
 
No doubt Ron !!!

Definitly have your ears plugs/head phones in on that one !!!

I had the opportunity to walk up behind Tony Shumacher's car at the line at IRP during a practice night on a Thursday.(I am talking like within 20' of this thing!!!!)They were only running them full throttle for about maybe 300 feet?

Not only could you HEAR that thing with your ears plugged,you can FEEL it !!!! When he dropped the throttle,I had a hard time seeing it clearly,hard to visually focus on it.It felt like my head was clamped in a paint mixer !!!! I dont know how those guys drive those things ?????
 
Mike, as much as I kinda hate to admit it, I was much younger, and never wore ear plugs around anything including the nitro fueled engines, and I got absolutely as close as I could. Amazingly I can still hear well, but I was not around any of that for extended times which is what destroys the hearing.
 
Well, looks like you got quite a bit of daylight under the front! And that's a '74 too, don't see those very often.

I never had slicks on mine, but would do 12.80 at 108, shifted around 4700, all torque. You had to walk it out of the gate or the rears would go just go up in smoke!
 
I believe the muffler I put on my Farmall 504 diesel was a Stanley. It is almost as loud as a straight pipe. I wear earplugs when ever I use it, actually I wear them with all my power equipment. I bought a box of like 200 from an industrial supply company sometime back. You can reuse them (till dirty) and they have a cord on them too.

CT
 
(quoted from post at 19:15:28 11/19/11) Mike, as much as I kinda hate to admit it, I was much younger, and never wore ear plugs around anything including the nitro fueled engines, and I got absolutely as close as I could. Amazingly I can still hear well, but I was not around any of that for extended times which is what destroys the hearing.
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Worked on a dirt late model for several years and no ear plugs. Didn't figure it was any harder on my hearing than a piston pump test cell that registered 140db. We ran "zoomies" on a 383ci Ford and it was a real "ground pounder"... seemed louder than any of the Chevys around and ci for ci would generally beat them.
Of course my hearing is bad now.... at least my wife says I don't hear most of what she tells me.
 
140db is way too loud.

I do sound engineering.

at the venue's i work at, 96db at 4 hr exposure is what they consider MAX before hearing damage starts. as you go up in db, time goes down. every 6db doubles the percieved volume of sound.

at 140db, by osha standards now, right around 2 minutes can be hearing damage.. ;)
 
I,m 70, have a 41 H, just put on a Stanley muffler, It,s terribly loud. I remember my Dad getting a new H in '47, you could not even hear the motor running from 10 feet away. Stanley muffler or straight pipe, same thing, cost more.
 
i have a stanley on another tractror.. but it's so far from the op that it isn't an issue.

but yeah.. pipe is cheaper!
 
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