International 2000 loader on Farmall 460

I recently bought an International 2000 loader to put on my Farmall 460. Of course it didn"t come with the brackets I need and the rear frame supports had been cut to make it fit on a JD. My questions are could someone with the front brackets take some measurements and tell me what the rise/height is on the brackets? Also, the rear supports were cut and I am not sure if there is supposed to be a plate welded onto the end and adapters made that bolt up to the plate and rear axle or does the adapter tube slide/telescope inside of the rear supports with a bolt/pin going through it. If anyone has an owners manual with mounting instructions for the 460 I would appreciate it if you could email me those pages. I"d like to get started on making the brackets ASAP so I can mount the loader before it gets too cold. Thanks in advance for any assistance offered.

Stan
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Well, barring any further responses, you can get the manual from "binder books dot com"

It is part number "1019837" on their website. Best $20 you will ever spend on that loader.

Are these the brackets you need measured?







If so, I can measure them for you tomarrow. I can do more pictures too but cant take any till next week.

They might be the brackets. From other pictures I have seen
I thought the loader frame was mounted higher up onthe
ttractor. Like up near the 460 emblem. How do those
brackets bolt to the loader frame? Do the rear support arms
sit level with the axle or are they bolted to the bottom of the
axle? Thanks for the pictures.

Stan

(quoted from post at 21:23:09 11/03/11) They might be the brackets. From other pictures I have seen
I thought the loader frame was mounted higher up onthe
ttractor. Like up near the 460 emblem.

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There aint much framing to mount to up there, just support for the radiator and tin work unless Im forgetting something. I guess that wouldnt stop somebody from making a bracket to extend up that far but if you raise up the front bracket 12-18 inches, I would think you would have to raise up the back about the same amount. I got a picture below that shows how the rear arms mount, mounting them 12-18 inches higher would seem to be a problem.

(quoted from post at 21:23:09 11/03/11)How do those
brackets bolt to the loader frame?

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I am just going by memory right now but I can look for sure tomarrow but I dont think they really bolt to the loader frame, the brackets kinda "hold" it from moving up or down. They bolt to the tractor frame and if you look at the second picture I posted above, the white bracket just slips into the loader frame a little ways, not even an inch. If you look at the loader frame, when you put down pressure on the bucket and lift the front of the tractor, that bracket that goes forward prevents the frame of the loader from going up. The part of the bracket that stops the loader frame from going down when you lift up a load is just a pad that the loader frame rests on. You bolt the bracket with the pad on to the tractor frame, mount the loader frame, then bolt on the plate that stops uplift.

IIRC, its a 2 piece bracket. One piece has the pad on it and the other mounts later with just a plate to prevent uplift. I think the brackets just mount to factory holes in the frame.

(quoted from post at 21:23:09 11/03/11) Do the rear support arms
sit level with the axle or are they bolted to the bottom of the
axle? Thanks for the pictures.

Stan

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Support arms go under. Well they would if they were long enough. They have a bracket that mounts to the front of the axle. Here is a picture.



You can eyeball along the top of the rear mounting arm, that kinda lines up with the bottom of the rear axle housing.

Bingo. I knew I had a boat load of pictures somewhere. I guess it was 2 years ago I took them, not a couple months ago like I was thinking. Time flys I guess. Anyway, here are a bunch of pictures of the brackets for mounting the loader. Probably not the only way to mount it but its the way mine is mounted.


Looking at the rear loader bracket mounting to the axle housing. Left rear.




From the top looking down. Same mount point, left rear.






Same mounting location looking from the front.





Here is some more of the front brackets. On looking at these pictures, it jogs my memory some more, it looks like its a 2 piece bracket like I thought but works different than I said earlier. It looks like the first bracket is kinda "C" shaped and mounts to the tractor frame. The second bracket has the pad that holds the loader but it looks like it also is the same piece that slides forward to hold the loader frame from lifting up. It should make more sense after looking at the next several pictures.





Little better top side view of the "C" bracket.





Underside view of the front right bracket looking from the center of the tractor out.




Underside of the front right bracket but more in line with the loader frame. Shows the pad that holds up the loader frame. You have to excuse the mooner, she just wants attention.





With the loader arms up, its easier to the the bracket and the pad.














OK, thats all I got so that concludes the picture show this evening. If you need more I can get them next week when my camera gets back home. If you need any of those blown up for detail, just tell me what ones, I downsized them when I put them on Imageshack.

On a side note, since I got a pile of pics up above, anybody know what brand of wide front that is?

Rich,

Awesome pictures. Between those and some exploded views I received from the parts book courtesy of Weldon I now have a pretty good idea how to mount the loader. The only piece left to the puzzle is dimensions. If you could get me some measurements I would really appreciate it. I'll even try and take pictures of my progress to post later. I might not get it mounted before the winter sets in but I hope to. It will all depend on getting the brackets and mounts made.

If you can these are the measurements I need:

How long is the front bracket plate that keeps the frame from moving up/down?

What is the distance between the front bolster and the inside of the front crossmember of the loader frame?

How long is the rear mount that bolts to the rear axle? It looks about 12".

What is the distance between the bolt holes on the rear mount? Center to center.

I think if I had those measurements it would be enough for me to get the loader aligned on the tractor and brakets made. Of course I do reserve the right to ask uneducated questions at a later time. Hee hee hee.

Thanks
Stan Baker

(quoted from post at 16:28:06 11/05/11)How long is the front bracket plate that keeps the frame from moving up/down?

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hat bracket is 6 inches high. Its 20 1/2 inches long on the bottom and 23 1/2 inches at the top. Remember, it has that dog leg that holds the loader down.

(quoted from post at 16:28:06 11/05/11)What is the distance between the front bolster and the inside of the front crossmember of the loader frame?

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really dont know what that is asking or where to measure. Im guessing it means how far out the outer plate is from the tractor frame, if thats what you are asking: from the tractor frame to the inside of the second bracket is 2 1/2 inches. Thats what that "C" channel piece does, steps out the second plate 2 1/2 inches. If thats not what you are asking, let me know what you are or point it out in the pictures and I can measure it.

(quoted from post at 16:28:06 11/05/11)How long is the rear mount that bolts to the rear axle? It looks about 12".

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Its 14 inches high and 5 inches wide.

(quoted from post at 16:28:06 11/05/11)What is the distance between the bolt holes on the rear mount? Center to center.

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Reference the picture above from the rear of the tractor: the top 2 bolts are spaced 2 5/16 inches apart center to center. The top left bolt to the lower bolt is 7 inches center to center.

(quoted from post at 16:28:06 11/05/11)I think if I had those measurements it would be enough for me to get the loader aligned on the tractor and brakets made. Of course I do reserve the right to ask uneducated questions at a later time. Hee hee hee.

Thanks
Stan Baker

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No problem, let us know how it goes. If ya got any more questions, just ask.

Rich,
Thanks for the response. What I was looking for with this question was how far out in front of the tractor does the loader sit. From your pictures I'm quessing 4-5 inches between the front bolster and the front of the loader frame.

Thanks for the measurements.

Stan

(quoted from post at 16:28:06 11/05/11)What is the distance between the front bolster and the inside of the front crossmember of the loader frame?

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really dont know what that is asking or where to measure. Im guessing it means how far out the outer plate is from the tractor frame, if thats what you are asking: from the tractor frame to the inside of the second bracket is 2 1/2 inches. Thats what that "C" channel piece does, steps out the second plate 2 1/2 inches. If thats not what you are asking, let me know what you are or point it out in the pictures and I can measure it.

(quoted from post at 12:59:51 11/08/11) Rich,
Thanks for the response. What I was looking for with this question was how far out in front of the tractor does the loader sit. From your pictures I'm quessing 4-5 inches between the front bolster and the front of the loader frame.

Thanks for the measurements.

Stan

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Ya, its gotta be about that. The dog leg in the bracket that you can see in this picture is 3 inches and the space looks about double that amount. I will measure it tomarrow and post back.

(quoted from post at 12:59:51 11/08/11) Rich,
Thanks for the response. What I was looking for with this question was how far out in front of the tractor does the loader sit. From your pictures I'm quessing 4-5 inches between the front bolster and the front of the loader frame.

Thanks for the measurements.

Stan

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You got a good eye Stan, I just measured it and its 4 1/2 inches from the loader to the tractor. Sorry my responce was late, I ended up having to make a run to northern WI for 2 days.

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(quoted from post at 12:59:51 11/08/11) Rich,
Thanks for the response. What I was looking for with this question was how far out in front of the tractor does the loader sit. From your pictures I'm quessing 4-5 inches between the front bolster and the front of the loader frame.

Thanks for the measurements.

Stan

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You got a good eye Stan, I just measured it and its 4 1/2 inches from the loader to the tractor. Sorry my responce was late, I ended up having to make a run to northern WI for 2 days.

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Rich,

Thanks for all the help. It was a good guess. I was going to pick up the metal today to start making brackets this weekend but the place was closed for Veterans Day. Ohh, and thanks to all those veterans who have sacrificed so much for the rest of us. My hat is off to you all.

Stan