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SH operator manual question, anyone

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D Slater

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Wonder why Binder Bks. shows five different ones and what the difference is? Looks like there using the IH manual numbers with the R suffix off.
Manual 1004288 for serials 501 to 19233.
Manual 1004313, for 19234 to 22701. Can understand these being different, one is stage 1 and the other stage 2.
Manual 1004371, for 22702 to 26841. Only thing I can think of for this one is maybe it showes the later wide front and the others before this have the old type.
Manual 1004373, 26842 and higher. I have no idea why this would be different than the last manual.
 
(just thinking out loud!!) could it be the beginning of 3 bolt starters and a few other minor details of changeover!? Jim
 
BTW Jim,

I am sure this question has been asked TOO many times,but why DO they make both 2 AND 3 bolt starters for my Super M ????????
 
In late production SuperM assembly lines were being setup to be changed to SMTA output. Starters were going to be changed to 3 bolt (SH to 300 as well, I think). So the castings were made to allow the initial electrical orders to be completed (just my way of explaining it, I do not intend to be an authority, Guy Fey and Wisconsin Historical Society would be authoritive. Jim
 
When I ordered one for my Super H in 2003?, there was only one, I assumed the latest edition. Could be the ones you mentioned are the revisions that occurred on the later models. I did order one for a stage 2 Super M. They listed two, one for a stage 1, one for a stage 2. However, the stage 2 book also describes the stage 1 hydraulics, unlike the Super H one of 2003. Looks like they are trying to get the manuals closer to the actual serial numbers of the tractors, not that it makes a lot of difference.
 
Yea,Mine is a 3 bolt one.

My tractor was also made in Louisville.I notice some subtle differences in it and the ones built in Chicaco(suburbs)

This is "off subject" from what is being asked here.
 
2 bolt starters and center housings were a carry over from the farmall M gas tractors. Diesel tractors used a 3 bolt housing but its different than the 3 bolt housing used on stage 2 SM gas and diesel. Starting with stage 2 the same housing was used for both tractors. That saved IH from producing 3 different housings because the late housing became the replacement for early tractors. A different starter drive housing was ordered when a replacement was used.
Don't know why it took IH from 1941 to 53 to do that.
Also as JN. pointed out IH was already working on the SMTA. Starter, hydraulics and controls except for pto and length of some parts are pretty much the same on a SMTA and a stage 2 SM.
Maybe the above is some of the reasons, I can only guess.
 
Have someone sending me a 1004371R1 manual. Will see if anythings different.
Crazy thing is Binder lists the books as Stage 1 to stage 4 SH. Thought about calling them but sometimes the person on the other end can't answer those kind of questions.
Jim the 3 bolt starter started at serial 19234.
 
Since the Binder Book manuals are reproductions of the original IH manuals all they are doing is providing what IH originally published. As changes were made during the production run of a particular model IH would provide an updated manual. Usually the new manual replaced the older one. Binder is just giving you a choice which some people may desire if they want a manual that would have come with their particular tractor.
 
I would also guess the multitude of manuals covers all of the upgrades/updates on the tractor & in the manuals themselves. If that's true, where are the other manuals for the plain H & all the other tractors, for that matter. Could be that they're just branching into the other manuals, as of late.

Just my 2¢,
Mike
 
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