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Interesting, but not real world. Speeds in a 140 are too fast anyway. As stated I wouldn't trust those spindles. He'll be lucky to be able to cultivate vegetables in 1st gear (I grew up on a vegetable farm). They changed 24 inch tires for 38 inch. An AV has 36's. They did not say if they changed the final drives to compensate for the tire size. However, I imagine he got paid enough to go out and buy another tractor. It's more of a comedy to me, and we lost another 140. Typical TV show.
SouthernFarmall
Member
I agree with you. The speed was what I thought about first, too. It will probably speed the tractor up 50%. Of course, it still won't be as fast as an 8N. You know what I noticed: They never mentioned rebuilding the engine! There would be no way in the world that I would paint a tractor like that and pour all that money into it without rebuilding the motor!
I liked the show; I thought it was cool, but I wish they hadn't torn the man's tractor all to he!!.
SF
I liked the show; I thought it was cool, but I wish they hadn't torn the man's tractor all to he!!.
SF
mike1972chev
Well-known Member
Ditto!!!
I was ALREADY wondering about the new "High gear set" they were creating when I saw those new rear tires !!!!!
But to "defend" the motor not being rebuilt,I did not see ANY smoke comeing out of it at any time you see it being ran!!! I am betting it has been overhauled in the not so far away past and they knew that going in from Alfred?
Also,like has already been posted,I bet he doesnt even need this 140 anymore! I bet he has a whole nother tractor he uses?Heck,What did they say he had,160 acres I think it was? I I GURANTEE this wasnt the only tractor he has!!!!! There has got to be some bigger,PRIMARY equipment he is using besides this! They show him using pin drags with it.I bet this is all it has done for years,and VERY little of that!
I was ALREADY wondering about the new "High gear set" they were creating when I saw those new rear tires !!!!!
But to "defend" the motor not being rebuilt,I did not see ANY smoke comeing out of it at any time you see it being ran!!! I am betting it has been overhauled in the not so far away past and they knew that going in from Alfred?
Also,like has already been posted,I bet he doesnt even need this 140 anymore! I bet he has a whole nother tractor he uses?Heck,What did they say he had,160 acres I think it was? I I GURANTEE this wasnt the only tractor he has!!!!! There has got to be some bigger,PRIMARY equipment he is using besides this! They show him using pin drags with it.I bet this is all it has done for years,and VERY little of that!
i too am not too sure just what the tractor will be able to do, i wish there was a site where we could see everything that was actually done to the machine, if the gears were left stock, those tall tires will drasticly reduce the amount of torque the tractor has for hard pulling as well as speed up the ground speed considerable also in the parting shot when the man was driving it around it looked kind of tippy when it hit a rut in the grass to me
I think they briefly showed the engine was removed. They also showed the tractor being painted with the sheet metal still on. That is the most unrealistic automotive or tractor show I have ever seen. As to the 160 acres, we had Farmall H to do the land preparation and a Ford 8N to to most of the planting and cultivating with on about 120 acres of vegetables. It was enough, but I can't imagine 160 acres of vegetables with a 140. Basically the show was entertainment and that was all.
mike1972chev
Well-known Member
I TOTALLY agree CNKS !!!!!!
It is just a "feel good" show for those who DO NOT know what it takes to ACTUALLY redo something properly! The truth about "reality Shows" is that they are VERY scripted!!!!A guy I work with did "Jerry Springer"a few years back.(Audience member)The producer came out before filming telling them EXACTLY how to act and respond to the ephisode! All B.S.
We all like to see the farmer get his 140 redone,but in MY book,it wasnt in that bad of shape to begin with !!!!!!!!!
It is just a "feel good" show for those who DO NOT know what it takes to ACTUALLY redo something properly! The truth about "reality Shows" is that they are VERY scripted!!!!A guy I work with did "Jerry Springer"a few years back.(Audience member)The producer came out before filming telling them EXACTLY how to act and respond to the ephisode! All B.S.
We all like to see the farmer get his 140 redone,but in MY book,it wasnt in that bad of shape to begin with !!!!!!!!!
MK in Ontario
Member
We have a very late 140 highclear. It is very fast in second, even just above idle. You need to really concentrate and be used to it. It sure does feel tippy over a rock or uneven ground, especially at speed. Notice there were no tools on it. Those things are a pain to get set up and you sure don't change em around too often once they're set. Also, notice all the equipment was 3pt hitch stuff. Definitely not the only tractor, not on 25 acres of vegetables, never mind 160. A waste of an otherwise good tractor. Not sure, but don't high clears use a different toolbar linkage for the additional height?
It's a 30 minute show, with only 22 minutes of actual footage. They can't possibly show every little step that went into the makeover.
The show's title starts with "Trick..." Tricking something out means making it showy and flashy, not necessarily functional.
I doubt if any gearing was done to compensate for the big tires. Where you gonna get the gears? You'd have to make them, and that show is done on a budget. Hobbing custom gears would completely blow that budget.
Bemoan the loss of another 140 if you must, but there are more 140s out there than people willing to own them. This one could be put back to original anyway...
The show's title starts with "Trick..." Tricking something out means making it showy and flashy, not necessarily functional.
I doubt if any gearing was done to compensate for the big tires. Where you gonna get the gears? You'd have to make them, and that show is done on a budget. Hobbing custom gears would completely blow that budget.
Bemoan the loss of another 140 if you must, but there are more 140s out there than people willing to own them. This one could be put back to original anyway...
Jim Becker
Well-known Member
Start from 22 minutes of air time then back out all the clips they re-ran 3 or 4 times, definitely low budget production. I thought that several times the farmer had a "what is this idiot doing now?" expression on his face. I want to see the expression on his face when he gets ready to put the standards back on the cultivator and finds they can't rerach the ground. And who leaves the mounting frames on while painting a tractor? I was also amused that they thought all the nuts and hulls got thrown into the bell housing from the ground. Haven't they ever seen stuff hauled in by mice and squirrels before?
First place at least they didn't do a Foose job on it like that 4020. The 140 actually looks good, really good. 2nd place it's a 140......"waste of a good tractor"????? More like an over size lawnmower! They were an interesting design and kinda cute but I really don't see what you could do with that on a farm that would make it a real working tractor unless you were only doing veggies and on a small scale. I agree witht he others, that can't be his only tractor. If I had to pick between a 140 and an 8N I'd take the 8N every day. Just way more usable on the farm for me.
Rick
Would you expect anything else from Bo Duke?
LOL
met him once... genuinely nice guy who actually does restoration work and knows a LOT about it, not just some things... Since I am a bodyman, he actually wanted to have a conversation with me, didn't blow me off. I was impressed.
LOL
met him once... genuinely nice guy who actually does restoration work and knows a LOT about it, not just some things... Since I am a bodyman, he actually wanted to have a conversation with me, didn't blow me off. I was impressed.
I took a few screen captures from the show...
The paint is horrid... I would be mad. If I did the paint on the tractor, as a professional bodyman with 15+ years experience, I would be laughed out of town. Having that show up on TV, knowing that lots of people will see your work? wow... not cool...
check out the fisheye, orange peel, and dust nibs? holy crow, the peel is so bad on the top of the hood, it has no shine. The floorboard on the tractor should have received a little bit of something. It looks like the surface of the moon. Didn't get a screen shot of that, but it was bad.
The paint is horrid... I would be mad. If I did the paint on the tractor, as a professional bodyman with 15+ years experience, I would be laughed out of town. Having that show up on TV, knowing that lots of people will see your work? wow... not cool...
check out the fisheye, orange peel, and dust nibs? holy crow, the peel is so bad on the top of the hood, it has no shine. The floorboard on the tractor should have received a little bit of something. It looks like the surface of the moon. Didn't get a screen shot of that, but it was bad.
SouthernFarmall
Member
I beg to differ. On my farm, I use a 140 regularly. I rake, ted, cultivate, plow, disc, pull full hay wagons (100+ square bales) in 4th gear, rake pine straw, and grate the driveway with it. My neighbor bush hogs and pulls a tobacco setter and a sweet potato digger. A 8n cannot cultivate (too low), pull a tobacco setter (too fast), or rake hay very well (hay gets caught on its underside). Plus, the 140 has a fast hitch, which is a huge bonus if you have the right equipment (I do). In addition, the 140s 2nd gear and the 8ns 1st gear are comparable. When pulling a 2-14 plow in 2nd gear with a 140, you can always drop a gear in a tough patch. You can't do that with an 8n! Now, you tell me what an 8n can do that a 140 cannot.
SF
SF
Oldtanker, probably should keep my mouth shut -- but -- I have a restored Super A -- it is not junk. On my dad's vegetable farm 50 years ago I drove an H and a B, we also had a Ford 8N, which for vegetables that require close, and I do mean close cultivation, the 8N is the worlds worst cultivating tractor when compared to the IH front cultivators. We had the 8N only because my dad went bankrupt and lost 3 of his 4 tractors. He got a job farming for a salary for the owner of a "packing shed" -- processing plant. At that time the only tractor he could get from his boss was the 8N. It worked but is no comparison to an A,B, or H. I realize that the 8N is very popular, but the 3 point hitch is all they have going for them.
Southern Farmall -- For tillage 2nd gear on the 8N is roughly the same speed as 3rd on an H, while 1st gear on the 8N is slower than 2nd on the H. In our situation 3rd in the 8N was worthless, leaving us one usable gear which was too fast--we did not do hay. So, the A,B,C and H are much better for tillage than the 8N mainly because of the gearing (you essentially said that). If the 8N people read this, ok, but I have used both under the same conditions, the same type of farming, there just ain't no comparison.
don't know about what they cobbled up but as for the one row tractors ih had the best design of them all with A,SA,100,130,140 for cultivating bar none, that's not all they were used for a lot of people in this area farmed with them solely and made a decent living, one man i know farmed with 2 of them until his latter years he bought a 75 hp tractor to disc and plow with, i would like to know that i would be as well off as he was when he died and he made it the use of those little tractors.
MK in Ontario
Member
For those looking for one - and there are a lot, believe it or not, it
would be a waste, as now it really won't be any good for the job
most people are needing it for, cultivating. There is a lineup for
ours if it's ever for sale.
would be a waste, as now it really won't be any good for the job
most people are needing it for, cultivating. There is a lineup for
ours if it's ever for sale.
I cultivate with my N every year without problems. It also pulls a 2-14 plow very well in 2nd leaving 1st for tuff spots. Plus there are lots of used 3 point implements out there for em. I have in 3 point a 2 row corn planter, 2 cultivators one set up as a digger, 2 bottom plow, 6" tandum disk, post auger, brush cuter, finish mower, rear blade and sprayer plus I rake hay with it.
Here you don't see many 2 point implements for the 140 sized tractors. Heck you don't see many 2 point implements of any size. Last year I saw for the first time in my life a 2 point rear blade. In the last couple of years I've see 2 2 point plows total in a 100x100 miles area, 1 3 bottom and one 4. See a lot of older Farmalls that had the 2 point just no implements. But then we are a and have been a dairy/beef/grain area, don't do much with tabacco....something to do with the cold I think. We really don't have many of the offsets round here. There are a few but not many compaired to the C, H, M, 300, 450s. Now I'd love to have a SC/200/230 cause with a 3 point it would be a nice tractor with decent brakes! I don't pull hay wagons with the N cause of that little issue.
SouthernFarmall
Member
To each his own. However, I didn't realize that the 140 came with a 2 point fast hitch. Everyone I know has got 1 point implements for their 140, including a 2-14 plow, 5 foot tandem disc, rear blade, pine straw rake, potato plow, bush hog, etc. The only implements and hitches for this tractor I have ever seen have been 1 point. Maybe someone can shed some light on this?
SF
SF
Jim Becker
Well-known Member
140 came with a one-point, if any. There was a two-point for the 140 hi-clear, but really only for the heavy tool bar.
Like I say differnt farming. Most of the farmers up here in the day were milking 30 or more cows and had the land to support em, at least 160 acres. Some how I just don't see N's, A's, B's or 140's being a viable tractor. Lots of those old guys would not have bought a small tractor just to sue arounf the farm site.
Rick
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