super a belt pto seal

hi all, have a super a with a woods mower that runs from the belt pto. been leaking for a while so i made a special tool on the lathe to finaly pull the woods pulley off the shaft to get to the seal. havnt take the seal out yet but there appears to be either a repair sleve that has come lose or i have read in the forrum that it might be the factory spacer. at any rate it is a little thin sleve that is moving and slid right out from the seal, looked like it might be made of bearing material like crank shaft bearings would be made of, ie lead coated copper or something. so now im afraid that it might not be a normal seal repair sleve.

so my questions are: is this the factory spacer i read about? if so can i just silicone it to the shaft to keep it sealed and from moving around? or is do you all think its a repair sleve? also, do i need to take the pot metal cover off to replace the seal or can i just pull it and drive a new one in place like an axle grease seal?

and on a side note, anyone who has tried to remove the woods mower pulley without luck, the tool i made works great came right off and only needs one wrench, 4 days on my lathe, then a heat treat, not bragging, but really my first tool ive made on my new metal lathe and it worked perfect. so its a "loan a tool" now if anyone needs.

thanks in advance
werowance

The hub for the Browning pulley on the Woods has two holes drilled and tapped to screw the two capscrews in to realese the hub and it. I have removed a bunch of them will come rite off. The spacer wont stop all the lube from leaking some. Ive had the Woods mower for 40 pluss yrs on several tractors ive sold and still use one. You will get some leaks if the belt pulley gets its lube thru the tranny like its supposed to.

From the factory, there was a sleeve for the seal to ride on. It was much heavier than a repair sleeve. The sleeve was normally held in place by the pulley. When the pulley was removed, there was another sleeve/spacer that went on the shaft in place of the pulley to hold the sleeve.

Not sure if you need to remove the seal retainer to change the seal, but it is probably easiest if you do.

All the Woods pulleys I have removed had a tapered hub. Take the hub retaining cap screws out and screw them into the other (threaded) holes and the pulley pops right off.

i just found a post that confirms it is a spacer and that people with woods mowers seem to have this problem. so now my questios are can i use silicone on the inside of this sleave to hold it in place and seal it just like you would with a repair sleave, and then to the seal, are there 2 of them? and just incase i damage the seal so i cant find a number, does anyone know the part number/numbers i need to order?

thanks again in advance.

thanks, the holes are not threaded on mine, not sure why they are there but no threads, but hey, i got to make a tool anyway. but sure am glad to know about the threaded holes because my dads pours the oil to, so once i fix mine right, then im going to take a look at his.

any part numbers for the seal/seals?

You also have to understand that the standards for oil and grease retention was not the same in the 1950's. The post are correct that the ring is part of the assembly. With the best of seals the end of the shaft will leak a little oil. There are shim spacers on the end of the shaft and from the factory nothing was done to prevent oil seepage through the shims. I have used liquid gasket between the shims and it has worked fine.
There is no oil seal between the ring and the shaft so a little oil is going to seep through the end of the belt pulley shaft.

If you remove the pulley you must install a cover to keep the ring in place or it will come off. I have made slip covers from 1 1/4" fence rail cut to 2 1/8" long. Use a pipe cutter or it will not be square.