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IAtractorKid

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What do you guys make of this???

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150663195353?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Definately an interesting piece. Curious to see what the bidding will get up to on it.
 
First off this is not a homemade tractor. This is a 450 farmall. Yes it does have a 6 cylinder engine. yes the sheet metal does fit . and yes the frame has been extended 6 inches. Heres what I know about this tractor. It has a 560 fast hitch on a 450 rearend. It has a 560 bell housing on a 450 serial tag. It has a 263 ci engine GAS 6 cylinder on a 450 frame that some time in its life was extended 6 inches. The sheet metal was diesel sheet metal. This tractor is One of a kind. The serial Number is 5022sz. Heres the down side No one that I have contacted has found documentation to support this tractor to be a experamental. However questions that arose on this are: Why would you take a 4 cyl. diesel and turn it gas? Why would you take time to extened the frame 6 inches to drop a 6cyl in a 4cyl tractor? if you were to do that to the frame why take the time to do that to the sheet and still treat it like a farm tractor? I have been told Farmall did this to test the part of the new 560 without anyone paying attention by using old sheet metal.. This tractor looks like a regular 450 from the distance. The tractor does run Ride and drive. This is a low reserve auction and you have a once in a lifetime oppertunity to own a rare piece of history. If you have any questions Please feel free to ask. I only accept Pay pal please dont ask . I can hold once paid for. This is the perfect addition to any international collector's collection.
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It's not homemade...but we have no documentation to prove it's not. For one thing, show me the casting codes on the block if that is the case. I bet they are past the rearend and other rear most parts...
I work in Watertown, maybe I should go check it out.
 
It's an interesting piece. From a collecting stand point, it seems to me that it would (and will in the future) be worth more if he could find documentation supporting either an assertion that Farmall built it that way or pictures/documentation that it came that way from the dealer.
 

I would imagine that IH had the various concepts for the 560 in the field testing stages long before the 450 was available to be used as a test mule.

I would rather think the 450 in question was built out of various pieces and parts from a salvage yard. Serial number tags are easily changed and modified.
 
I question the claim. Why wouldn't IH test with a 560 rearend even if they wanted to disguise the tractor. Can't see IH not using the internal hydraulic pump and rigging lines and a transmission return line. Hydraulic pump mounted up front doesn't look like something IH would do to just test a engine since the 450 hydraulic system was already in use. The engines were already around in one form or another. If I remember correct the 450 trasmission housing doesn't have the passage for the hydraulic pump suction when in the 560 center housing. Looks like a 560 hydraulic pressure line just capped off hanging there. Also why would IH use a early 450 serial # to test with? Would like to see the engine serial # and the date code on the center housing and the engine.
I think someone just put it togeather.
 
Sorry. It's a good job but not factory. The mechanical parts are known to be compatible. You can put a 560 engine in an M if you use the 560 frame rails and weld a couple hood pieces together.

The toothed belt drive for a live hydraulic pump is farmerized and the welding on the frame rails and the underside of the hood is too. IH could have rolled out a custom hood and built longer frame rails instead of welding on to shorter pieces.
 
To add to the comments already made:

If it has a production number tag, where is the evidence of a supplemental experimental tag?
There are quite a few pictures of experimental 40/60 series tractors. Among the ones I've seen, even the early pictures show 40/60 style sheet metal.

I think we have the latest thing in Super HTAs.
 
(quoted from post at 07:29:42 09/15/11) To add to the comments already made:

If it has a production number tag, where is the evidence of a supplemental experimental tag?
There are quite a few pictures of experimental 40/60 series tractors. Among the ones I've seen, even the early pictures show 40/60 style sheet metal.

I think we have the latest thing in Super HTAs.
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So now we have a factory prototype Super 450? :)
Who'da thunk it?
 
IH was already this far in july of 56. Think he also has a 560 serial tag. 450 tractors didn't have a Z suffix after the serial # but a 560 can have.
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I'm curious to see if people know better. If that thing wasn't cobbled together in the last month, I just come in with the frost. It's neat & all, but I think IH was pretty thorough about destroying most of it's trade secrets. Maybe, at some point in history, is was used to fill taaaaaaaall silos or abused at tractor pulls.

Mike
 
That unit is right down the road from me and I'll be driving right by it this weekend to shoot some sporting clays. I might have to check it out and report back!
 
(quoted from post at 06:37:36 09/15/11) It was at the Mecum auction in August. Bidding ended at $3400, but it didn't meet it's reserve.
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There was another tractor modified into a 6 cyl at Stade's old time auction or whatever they call it. (The one at their farm in Fort/Jefferson) IIRC it was about 5 years ago. Maybe it is the same one???
 
I can't believe anyone would even consider that to be factory. It may be neatly done, but that is all.
 
There is one thing that stands out for me in the photos that says its not original. I'll hold my tell tale sign until the auction ends, but its obvious if you know what your looking for to date the machine. For those who followed IH over the years, it stands out in the photo of the extension on the front end. I'm estimating late 70's on the transition with more recent paint on the hood. If the seller can come up with photos prior to that, I'll eat my words!
 
The front cover on the engine is newer than a 560. The 560 mounted on top of the frame. Looks like this one is from a 656 or 706. They mounted the engine with bolts through the side of the frame.
 
I agree with that statement whole heartedly. I actually have a good idea of who owns it and have known other questionable units to go with this one.
 
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