Good trade (fortune), had to share with someone

so, I brought home the "new" F-30, since I sold the other one (decided it was more of a restoration than I wanted to tackle). This one was running but had a bad rear main bearing. Previous owner disassembled the engine, and lost interest in restoring it. I bought it, with a bunch of extra parts, gasket set, etc. Overall, in good shape, all things considered.

So, after closer inspection of the crank and mains, I agree, needs bearings. I also found the front bearing retainer has a crack around one of the mounting bolts. So, I need bearings and 1 retainer.

Was visiting some collector friends today and told them about my needs. They were looking for an olderstyle front rim for an F-12. I had the rim, and they had a good used set of F-30 main bearings (with retainers). We traded. Both sets of tails "waggin". Even a blind squirrel finds a nut...........

That is cool Tom!

I like a "win,win" scenario !!

Post some photos!! I think them F 30's, Regulars,F 20's are neat!

My dad talked about working an F20 on 40 to 80 acres as a kid.(Couldnt even imagine that !!!!)

Is it true the engine on an F 30 is about the same as an M ???

Ive had around 1/2doz F-20s in my time, and 2 F-30s. Ive got a 20 here, tho WAS loose as I had it running off the belt, It hasnt got wheels or tires, and that would cost more than if I found one running with wheels and tires, so here it sets. ANYWAY I have a 48 H, and I can tell ya that the F-20 had more power and less speed. I Own a 41 M, but my brother beat me out of it when dad died, so thats that, BUT Id bet that the 30 had more power than the M, just less speed. Id LOVE to find another 30, but at 64, Im getting past cranking one, and the starter models are few and high priced, Actually, the 30 without a starter, anymore is high priced. I paid $200 for my first one in around 70, and a G note for the second around 2005

Here are the specs for an M

Drawbar (claimed): 25 hp [18.6 kW]

Belt (claimed): 31-33 hp [23.1 kW]

Plows: 3 (14-inch)

Drawbar (tested): 33.1 hp [24.7 kW]

PTO (tested): 36.07 hp [26.9 kW]

Belt (tested): 36.66 hp [27.3 kW]


Here are the specs for an F-30:

Drawbar (claimed): 20 hp [14.9 kW]

Belt (claimed): 30 hp [22.4 kW]

Plows: 3

Drawbar (tested): 24.85 hp [18.5 kW]

Belt (tested): 32.80 hp [24.5 kW]

Tom, don't forget that the 30 was tested on Kerosene. Gasoline and gas manifold adds about 10hp to the belt. Set of high dome pistons and you get a few more.

Talked to quite a few old timers who claim the F30 was better on the belt but the M wins hands down for an all day ride.

36F30, I agree. In fact, I would like to see the torque specs on each. In my opinion, the F30 and the M were about equal, except that as you say, the M was much more comfortable to operate.

I would venture a guess that an F-30 with 8000 pistons, and gasoline manifold, on gas would give an M all it wanted on a head to head hook the drawbars together. Weight is so close on both of them, not sure that factors in except the F-30 might have an advantage there.

To this day, I am a torque man, and love it when a tractor can "get down and dirty" and lug.

(quoted from post at 02:44:34 09/07/11) 36F30, I agree. In fact, I would like to see the torque specs on each. In my opinion, the F30 and the M were about equal, except that as you say, the M was much more comfortable to operate.

I would venture a guess that an F-30 with 8000 pistons, and gasoline manifold, on gas would give an M all it wanted on a head to head hook the drawbars together. Weight is so close on both of them, not sure that factors in except the F-30 might have an advantage there.

To this day, I am a torque man, and love it when a tractor can "get down and dirty" and lug.

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If ya think about it the Nebraska test are in fact testing HP and Torque. When you hook up the PTO/belt and test the way they do they are applying drag. As more drag is applied both the HP of the engine and Torque come into play to keep the engine running at RPMs. IF you built 2 engines of the same displacement, one short and one long stroke but with the same HP rating, bolted them to your tractor tranny you would get different test results hooked up to a dyno.


They are just putting out the test results in a rating of HP. My thinking there is that when tractors and powered inplements were first coming out the average person had very little if any education. They listed the implements with one requirement, how many HP to run it and sold the tractors the same so a person could match them up. Why confuse the situation with a combo rating that the buyer may not understand. Heck I bet most pickup buyers today buy based on HP/Torque ratings and have no idea what it means to them towing a trailer down the highway other than the idea that more is better! In fact that may be a better idea.....rate turcks by payload/towing and HP at the tow ball.


Rick

Yup, I agree. In fact on gasoline, I bet if you could hook the M and the F-30 belt to belt, the F-30 would torque the M into stalling. Period. a 4 1/4" bucket with a 5" stroke is enormous and the weight of the flywheel and crank is probably twice that of an M.

that all adds up to "try and stall me". :wink:

There is no replacement for displacement (and torque)........