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Super C Demo Widefront Questions - pic included

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RTR

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Hey guys, I have been inquired several times by people wanting to purchase the Super C Widefront DEMO tractor. I haven't ever thought about selling it, but recently I could use the space for more Cubs, Super A's, and 140's. I have a couple people intrested, but have NO CLUE what to price the tractor at. I know you all don't like pricing other peoples stuff, but PLEASE give me an idea of what a good asking price for this tractor should be. You know, what you've seen them sell for, what you think they are worth, what you'd pay, what you'd be comfortable selling one at, etc. At least a starting point, and why you came up with it. Lets see what you all come up with, and I'll put in my 2 cents and we'll talk about it from there.


Oh, and by the way....it runs as good as it looks. AND YES, I realize that the grille is incorrect. It is a power unit grille, and was on it when I got it. Sorry for the bad picture, my camera isn't acting right. I look forward to your responses. THANKS!
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Dear RTR,
Demo farmalls were from early 1950 model year only. THere have been thousands of tractor painted red over white, and non demos painted white. They look neat but are fundamentally no more valuable than a well maintained Tractor of the same vintage. Demos have only marginal value increas over red ones. unless there is a collector after it. Non-early farmalls are just considered not interesting (especially if represented as a Demo.) Jim
 
Suggest you get a few really good pictures as you will need them when you post it for sale anyway. Any welds , fast hitch , tires all new ? etc etc are all questions that will make a big difference regarding value. I may be wrong but I didn't think they made a white demo "Super" C. Anyway depending on the answer to these questions I would say your looking at $1200 on low end to $3500 on high end.
 
Agreed. I see "demo" models constantly around here in the northeast.

JANicholson, perhaps you can correct me if I'm wrong on this - but I BELIEVE the demo paint was applied by the dealers themselves, and not a "factory" paint job. So there's not much of a difference between a dealer painting one white, and painting it white on your own and calling it a "demo".

But even if I am wrong on that, I personally have not seen any premium paid for the white ones.

Like any other question of value, it's really impossible to answer accurately. There COULD be a guy out there who happens to want one really bad right at this point in time, and would pay a much higher price to get it.

It's not a commodity type market with so many transactions happening that you can expect to get what another guy got for his.

It's very hit or miss, and based mostly on luck, and/or the patience to wait for the right buyer.
 
To be considered an authentic Demo it must be in the correct range of serial numbers, early 1950.
painted or not with red or white, Supers were not. Looking cool is a great selling point, Advertizing it as a Demo is not. Jim
 
(quoted from post at 23:01:43 08/24/11) To be considered an authentic Demo it must be in the correct range of serial numbers, early 1950.
painted or not with red or white, Supers were not. Looking cool is a great selling point, Advertizing it as a Demo is not. Jim
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If I recall, weren't the only "Demo" tractors the Cub, Super A, and Super C of the first part of 1950? Correct me if I'm wrong. THANKS!

Without marketing it as a Demo tractor, what would this Farmall Super C be worth (as far as putting a price on it to sell) the way it is equipped. Excellent Mecanical Condition with no welds, no fast hitch, wide front, painted white with chrome stack, all new tires around, and dual rear wheels? Thanks for the input guys.
 
(quoted from post at 10:30:16 08/24/11) Agreed. I see "demo" models constantly around here in the northeast.

JANicholson, perhaps you can correct me if I'm wrong on this - but I BELIEVE the demo paint was applied by the dealers themselves, and not a "factory" paint job. So there's not much of a difference between a dealer painting one white, and painting it white on your own and calling it a "demo".

But even if I am wrong on that, I personally have not seen any premium paid for the white ones.

Like any other question of value, it's really impossible to answer accurately. There COULD be a guy out there who happens to want one really bad right at this point in time, and would pay a much higher price to get it.

It's not a commodity type market with so many transactions happening that you can expect to get what another guy got for his.

It's very hit or miss, and based mostly on luck, and/or the patience to wait for the right buyer.
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You've got it backwards. The demos were painted white at the factory, and the dealers were SUPPOSED to repaint them red when sold.
 
There were no super C 1950 tractors! If yours has casting numbers in the right range, it cant be a Super C. That is the issue. Super C was late 1952. Jim
 

Ok. So the demo version was the Farmall C ? I've never gotten into the tractors past the Super A - 140 too much, so my reasearch on those models isn't that good. I guess that would make sense having the Super C tractor has the engine with the water pump.
 
It looks to me like it could be a C, If I'm not mistaken, in that bad photo I think I see the arm for the band style brakes. As for what it is worth, well, if it is actually a demo- I have one that I'm 99% certian is, I've always figured a restored one at about $4000, which I figure a well restored regular at $2500 to $3000. I've seen guys ask more than that, I don't know if they're getting it or not.

The parts that should be red are not on this tractor, and if it has a water pump, well that's not correct, either. My Demo is getting a restoration as close to original as possible, the other tractors get functional work done to them. (Different lights, an alternator if needed, etc. I'm yet to actually paint one.)

To sell it as a demo for the premium, it had better be right.

Just my Humble opinion (and what I have it insured for -ha!)

-Andy
 
Ok,

Forget trying to sell and price it as a Demo. What should I price it for as it is with the Dual Rear Wheels and the Wide Front End, and being in nice restored condition.? Is $3,800 a fair price for it the way it is?? Heck, if I even painted the "red parts" red it would help. That wouldn't be too hard because its just the wheels centers, lights, breather cap, and seat.
 
In my opinion the only way the white paint is a positive is if it were an original 1950 Demo. Otherwise it will hurt the resale ( again my opinion only ). Assuming all 6 tires are new and a desirable brand then I think your not too far off but it could take a while. I see a lot of Super C's with fast hitch go for under $3000 . Good luck but I'm afraid your about $1000 high.
 
Ok. Maybe some others will chime in with their opinions now . Thank you for thebinput,bits exactly what I'm wanting.
 
Ok. Maybe some others will chime in with their opinions now . Thank you for thebinput,bits exactly what I'm wanting.
 
Ok. Maybe some others will chime in with their opinions now . Thank you for thebinput,but it is exactly what I'm wanting.
 
Camera hint. If you are using the AF mode (auto focus) the shutter does not actually release when you push the button. It has to focus and then release the shutter. Be sure and hold the camera very still for count of two after pushing the shutter button. The photo is NOT out of focus, as the close part is just as bad as the far part. It is "blurred" which is caused by you moving the camera too soon.
 
I will chime in here.

I believe the 1950 farmall C demo was the ONLY demos that were painted at the factory !!!! ALL other demos were dealer painted.
 
(quoted from post at 20:45:22 08/24/11)I believe the 1950 farmall C demo was the ONLY demos that were painted at the factory !!!! ALL other demos were dealer painted.
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The Cub, Super A and C demos were all painted white at the factory.
 
Yes,RTR,

If your C WAS an actuall demo,(Wich I highly doubt it is !!!)It would be WAY devalued by all the incorrect "crap" that has been done to it !!!

Janicholson is being nice about it.

I am a little "torqued" about how many Farmalls I have seen painted white JUST to draw attention!

If the factory did it(C only?) it is cool
If the dealer did it(a little LESS rare) I still respect it.

If some individual did it to resale it for WAY MORE than what it is worth.What an "A hole"!!!

Anybody can correct me,if I am wrong here.
 
I do not think ANY other Farmall demos were painted white at the factory other that the 1950 C's.I believe the others were dealer painted??? And,I do not think there were ANY Super C demos AT ALL! I thought all demos were 1950???
 
Some wierd answers in this thread, mostly from people who are guessing. All demos were painted at the factory, and were supposed to be painted red by the dealer before sale, some slipped through. Demos were made in Jan, Feb, and March of 1950. BUT, all tractors in that time period may not be demos. It must have a serial number in the correct range, and white paint under the red. The tractors were not stripped before being painted by the dealer. Obvious white usually shows under the hood, behind the battery box, etc, along with white under red on everything else; except for mine, I painted mine red after removing all traces of white paint. The casting codes were correct, but the serial tag was a replacement. I do have pictures before painting. The serial range for the C is 47010-54411. Early demos will have some S (1949) casting codes, later ones are probably all T's, or 1950; but S cannot be excluded even for those assembled in late March. The one in this thread needs a lot of work to make it "original", thus is worth no more, probably less than a regular C, unless someone likes the dual wheels.
 
Check me on this Rustyfarmall,

The ONLY Farmalls to come out of the FACTORY painted white,were certain serial # 1950 Farmall C's. ALL OTHER white demos were a dealer paint job! I am really NOT trying to be a smart "A" here,but I just want to get the "real deal" out here.
 
So are you telling me CNKS ALL Farmall 1950 demo(Cub thru M ) were factory white paint jobs?

I have heard different on here and am just trying to get to the truth.
 
Mike, I did not intend to respond to your post, I intended it to be under the original, sorry. The only factory demos were the Cub, Super A, and C. NOTHING else. I know that for a fact, one that has been stated on this forum many times by now. Shortly after I got my "white" C in 2001, I was asking questions about it on this forum (I think), and Richard Lantis (now deceased) responded. Prior to the merger of IH and Case he had a dealership inherited from his dad. He was an expert on white tractors, and most other things that were IH, and actually drove a white C from his dad's dealership to a customer in 1950. He also almost rolled it in the customers driveway, in fourth gear after he was told not to use anything faster than third. Although a lot of people think the white tractors are valuable, there is nothing different except the paint. In my opinion, (only my opinion), I think those were the ugliest tractors IH ever sold, before they were repainted red.
 
Ok, so let's get back to answering RTR's original question. We have assertained that this is NOT a demo. We have also assertained that there are incorrect parts on it.

Let's look at the up-side. dually's on it. WFE. Runs good. So, a C/SC WFE sells stand alone around $350 - $500 in my part of the country, not the tractor, but the front axle. Tires run $500 a piece new. Good running C/SC fetch around $1000 - $1200.

So, adding things up, in my area, I would start the price around $1800-$2000 if tires are good and everything works as it should.

As in alot of cases, the parts are worth more than the assembled tractor. The C/SC tractor was a really nice combination of size, weight, and power. Very handy for small farms, cultivating, wagons, etc. And, they just have a really nice overall look to them.

Put it on eBay and see what happens if you want to get top $$$ for it. That is a roll of the dice, but I have seen some pretty crappy stuff go high, and some nice desirable stuff go low. Say that auction may end early because it is for sale locally also.
 
PLEASE dont throw anything at me CNKS,but I still got 1 more question!! (LOL)

Just trying to get it straight.2 more questions.

#1 The Cub,SuperA,and C came from the FACTORY in white paint ????

#2 I have seen white Hs and M's .Were these DEALER painted demos,or are they just B.S. created in someone's garage somewhere???
 
Mike, I can answer that one. BS.

Well, maybe I should be careful here. If someone wanted a white one, then it is not BS, but it is NOT a demo paint job.
 
(quoted from post at 04:15:23 08/25/11) PLEASE dont throw anything at me CNKS,but I still got 1 more question!! (LOL)

Just trying to get it straight.2 more questions.

#1 The Cub,SuperA,and C came from the FACTORY in white paint ????

#2 I have seen white Hs and M's .Were these DEALER painted demos,or are they just B.S. created in someone's garage somewhere???
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Exactly!! Just like the Super HTA. It IS BS!!
 
Agreed. I see "demo" models constantly around here in the northeast.

JANicholson, perhaps you can correct me if I'm wrong on this - but I BELIEVE the demo paint was applied by the dealers themselves, and not a "factory" paint job. So there's not much of a difference between a dealer painting one white, and painting it white on your own and calling it a "demo".

But even if I am wrong on that, I personally have not seen any premium paid for the white ones.

Like any other question of value, it's really impossible to answer accurately. There COULD be a guy out there who happens to want one really bad right at this point in time, and would pay a much higher price to get it.

It's not a commodity type market with so many transactions happening that you can expect to get what another guy got for his.

It's very hit or miss, and based mostly on luck, and/or the patience to wait for the right buyer.
 
Even with the fuzzy photo, $3800 is RIDICULOUS for that tractor unless the tires are loaded with gold dust for ballast.

For one thing, it doesn't even have a correct grille on it!!! That is a POWER UNIT grill.

The duals don't make it any more valuable, even if the tires are brand spanking new. You would be better off removing them and selling them separately.

With four brand new rear tires you might be able to squeak $2500 out of it if the paint job is really good...
 
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