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1948 Farmall What Are Correct Decals??

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I Have A 1948 Farmall M I Am Restoring And I Need To Know If It Should Have Mccormick Deering On Hood Or Just Mccormick

Thanks
Ben....
 
Not to argue with Jim, but I"m pretty sure you should use the McCormick decal. This would be the one with the IH embelm.
The last year for the McCormick-Deering would have been 1945. I"m sure someone knows the exact period in serial numbers when the change happened.
 
Per Binder Books listings, pre July 1949 used McCormick-Deering.
After July 1949 McCormick.
My 1947 A originally had McCormick-Deering with an IH insignia in front of it. Looks like Binder Books offers it but I have not ordered yet.
Hope this info is ok with the board. If not, I'm sorry.
Dennis
 
NO. The IH before the McCormick Deering appeared in 1945, or in the neighborhood. The Deering was supposed to have been omitted in mid 1949, there may have been some carryover.
 
(quoted from post at 20:08:37 08/07/11) A little more info, My 1949 'C' also has McCormick-Deering with IH insignia in front of it. Appears original
good luck
Dennis
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Different equipment was bought out from the McCormick copyrights at different times so they may not all be the same. I heard they bought out the more popular stuff first and then bought off the littler stuff. I guess some oddball equipment had McCormick on it in the late 50s. I'm not sure if all the tractors were bought out on the same day or if they bought the rights for the H and M first and then went to the little guys.
 
I don't know where this "bought out" stuff is coming from. Nobody bought or sold anything when this change happened. IH just changed the labels.
 
(quoted from post at 07:56:48 08/08/11) I don't know where this "bought out" stuff is coming from. Nobody bought or sold anything when this change happened. IH just changed the labels.
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Patent rights were bought out from the McCormick name after the merger of old. It is in the IH history books.
 
Namesake, please don't take this wrong, but what history book and what page number is that info on? I have never heard or read that before.

On the decals, and to the original question. pre-1945, IHC was on the guages and McCormick Deering Farmall on the decals.

1945 - 1949 IH McCormick Deering Farmall was on the decals and IH on the guages.

1949 and later IH McCormick Farmall.

for you 1948 tractor it should have IH Mccormick Deering Farmall and have IH guages.
 
Why didn't everything change at the same time then? I will try and provide data to back it up. Maybe someday I will flag my books for quoteing. :lol:
 
Well, for starters, one reason was that dealers had inventory of decals. In the winter, they would repaint tractors to keep everyone working. They used old stock up before they ordered or bought new stock.

Same thing happened in the plants. Even though the paint committee and the decal committee may have issued the memo and decision, the plants used up old stock before switching. One needs to compare the dates of the "decisions" to the dates/serial numbers that actually switched over. I have a FEB 1942 H with Duetz fasteners on it. Those were phased out in 1941. Either the owner had a radiator problem, and got a Duetz hood and rad from the dealer (or junk yard), or one of the IH plants had leftover stock and built it that way. Either way, going by "the books", I should have bolts and not Duetz. Go figure. Not sure which answer is right, but my H is that way none the less.

History of the International Harvestor Corp is a very very tangled spider web, and it is difficult at times to draw conclusions unless you have a number of different artifacts to compare and "triagulate" your conclusion.
 
I have a 1947 Farmall B (been in famly since new) It has McCormick Deering on hood and Farmall emblem on grill.My F-20 & w-30 are McCormick Deering and 1958 450 & 1965 706 are McCormick Farmall.
 
I have never heard the "bought out" thing either. What I did read on this forum several years ago was that the Deering would be dropped when the last family member died or left the company, or something like that. May be a rumor. Perhaps IH had to pay the remaining Deerings when the label was dropped -- only a guess.
 
(quoted from post at 17:27:46 08/08/11) I have never heard the "bought out" thing either. What I did read on this forum several years ago was that the Deering would be dropped when the last family member died or left the company, or something like that. May be a rumor. Perhaps IH had to pay the remaining Deerings when the label was dropped -- only a guess.
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That is kind of the same thing I am trying to say. (Sorry, earlier I said McCormick but meant Deering) I don't mean "bought out" as in they purchased each Deering family members shares/portion, but bought the patent rights to the equipment so they didn't have to pay royalties on it.
 
d Beatty what you state matches up exactly with what i posted. There are no absolutes in what the IHC plants did years ago. Plants went with what they had. Dealers went with what they had. The only thing you can do is base your decisions for what is "correct" on IHC Corp memos, and plant notes. Is an F-12 with a field upgrade to F-14 standards incorrect? Hardly. Take pride in your work, and hopefully (if all goes well) your end result.

Don't loose too much sleep on getting the decals or guages down to the very date. I don't even sweat it too much to get the month right. Only time that really counts is the NOV 1936 paint color changeover. Even then, the dealers would paint the gray ones red, so, is that incorrect? Hardly.

So, to the original poster, don't get discouraged. This type of banter is healthy, and you learn alot from it. Not much different that sitting around a table and chewin' the fat.
 
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