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farmallboy15
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some parts are awful expensive, like $100 for a bearing. and alot of parts are discontinued but thats explainable, things are getting old... but then again i went to the dealer and they had the gasket i needed on the shelves for $14 which is reasonable in my opinion.
Bob Bancroft
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- Aurora NY
We are fortunate to have a wonderful parts manager at our local CaseIH dealer, and I have had no problem getting parts.
I check between JD, CaseIH, and Agco anymore for common things like bearings. There is apt to be a tremendous difference in price between them for the same parts. And there is no pattern that I can find. One will be cheaper on one part, more expensive on another!
I check between JD, CaseIH, and Agco anymore for common things like bearings. There is apt to be a tremendous difference in price between them for the same parts. And there is no pattern that I can find. One will be cheaper on one part, more expensive on another!
teddy52food
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I just called them for a pto seal for a 65 year old B. They had it in stock.
What the dealers stock is their decision. Triebold's in Whitewater, WI had their CaseIH dealership taken away, but they stock more IH parts than Johnson Tractor in Janesville, WI. The aholes at Johnson just got an award for being to top dealer in the state for over $6 million in sales...and they can't stock anything but an oil filter for older equipment...
Yeah, despite all the criticism I have leveled at the local multi-location Case IH dealer I would say parts availability is good on older IH equipment. Nobody is stocking like they did 10 or 25 years ago or more.
In general I wish the competition was more intense like it is among the Deere dealers here. Of course within 75 miles there are 4 different Deere dealer organizations (I have not checked that relative to what is in PA) and used to be 5. I've had to get bearings, Pioneer 1/2" male hydraulic tips, drive chain this spring and the nearest Deere dealer nearly always had the best price.
In general I wish the competition was more intense like it is among the Deere dealers here. Of course within 75 miles there are 4 different Deere dealer organizations (I have not checked that relative to what is in PA) and used to be 5. I've had to get bearings, Pioneer 1/2" male hydraulic tips, drive chain this spring and the nearest Deere dealer nearly always had the best price.
LOL I got control box problems with my 3650 baler.....control box NLA.....checked a similar item with a local kid who works at deer and all the parts for balers that old are available according to him. And Deer still has some parts for my 50+ year old planter....just making me think!
Rick
Heck. Theres a shaft around 8in long, and maybe 3/4in thick that has a gear on one end, and a bill hook on the other on my 1960 Case 140W baler. That shaft is $95. Im going to take one of my old shafts, and a/the last bill hook in captivity, when I get it, to a guy my boy knows can make parts if he has the part, or a pattern. The shaft oughta be easy. Bill hooks outa aluminum or something non magnetic. It likely harder to make.
Absent Minded Farmer
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- Gehl Country, Wis.
YES!! I went through 3 temp gagues for my 400 before I said something bad & went elsewhere (OEM-TP). Their temp gague reads lower temperatures just fine, the Fiat ones don't start reading until the engine's close to operating temp. The gague face is also wrong, just like Fiat owning CaseIH. That's just one example.
The control box for your 3650 was made by Agri-tronics, maybe they still make something you can use?
Mike
The control box for your 3650 was made by Agri-tronics, maybe they still make something you can use?
Mike
It could have changed, but CaseIH used to not sell original type gauges. I have had absolute zero problems with my dealer. I don't think Fiat has anything to do with it. It's a worldwide economy. Also, I bought a oil pressure gauge from OEM that stuck open. I appreciate CaseIH for still supplying parts. Some people can't stand an overseas country having controling interest in a US company. Better get used to it.
Brendon-KS
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- Location
- Goessel, KS
They make balers for Massey (red), Challenger
(yellow), Fendt (green), and a few New Holland
4x4's. The NH and Fendt are for European export
only.
(yellow), Fendt (green), and a few New Holland
4x4's. The NH and Fendt are for European export
only.
GRAPE-DRANK
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I can find any part for a Super A or a 140 at my local Dealer (Cavalier International). The prices are astronomical. The crankshaft and camshaft timing gears from CNH cost about 3x what it cost for some of the Farmall websites.
I'll say this for them. They have every single part I ask for them to price. I ordered a bushing from them that goes in the engine block where the alternator/governor goes. It cost about $45.00. I'm just happy that they still make the parts.
I just don't see how the company is going to keep on doing what they're doing. I just don't see how it is marketable for them to sell Case IH and New Holland in North America. The New Holland name is #1 for hay equipment. I don't see why they shouldn't market and continue to sell that brand based on reputation, but Case and New Holland construction equipment just doesn't make sense to me. CaseIH and New Holland tractors, I don't know about that either.
If I could predict a future streamlining process and I had it my way I would say Case is construction equipment, New Holland is Hay equipment in North America and International for agriculture. I would tell them to drop the black paint for the engine blocs/transmission and bring back red.
Like I said, I know it's been going on for a decade, but the way CNH does things doesn't make sense to me.
I'll say this for them. They have every single part I ask for them to price. I ordered a bushing from them that goes in the engine block where the alternator/governor goes. It cost about $45.00. I'm just happy that they still make the parts.
I just don't see how the company is going to keep on doing what they're doing. I just don't see how it is marketable for them to sell Case IH and New Holland in North America. The New Holland name is #1 for hay equipment. I don't see why they shouldn't market and continue to sell that brand based on reputation, but Case and New Holland construction equipment just doesn't make sense to me. CaseIH and New Holland tractors, I don't know about that either.
If I could predict a future streamlining process and I had it my way I would say Case is construction equipment, New Holland is Hay equipment in North America and International for agriculture. I would tell them to drop the black paint for the engine blocs/transmission and bring back red.
Like I said, I know it's been going on for a decade, but the way CNH does things doesn't make sense to me.
Bermuda Ken
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I go to C&G. They have parts I need on hand and the people who have "been there, done that and wrote the book" on IH, CASE and STEIGER tractors.
RedRoundhead
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Yep. There are many, many more "U.S. companies", that are owned by/controlled by foreign investors than people realize. InBev owns Budwieser, Kone Cranes bought out P&H, and closed it, and so on and so on. There are no borders for the wealthy, since we don't enforce anything. Oshkosk Truck gets most of their gearing and bearing parts from Korea, for the US military vehicles it builds. We lost a number of contracts from them, becasue of that. Economics are great. A great big joke!
Absent Minded Farmer
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- Gehl Country, Wis.
Ha! I was going to order my gagues from OEM for my '39, but not anymore. I guess that's why they're always on sale. Front & center on their webpage to boot. The set I got for my 400 was a lot closer than CaseIH's offerings. In their defence, the box could have been kicked around en-route to the dealership, too. I've had enough of that with ebaY items.
Who made IH's gagues? Stewart-Warner? I think it says in the "Letter Series" book & don't have time, at the moment, to find it.
Mike
Who made IH's gagues? Stewart-Warner? I think it says in the "Letter Series" book & don't have time, at the moment, to find it.
Mike
Absent Minded Farmer
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- Location
- Gehl Country, Wis.
I am used to it. That dosen't mean I like it or will like it, so I grump about it here & there. I haven't had a problem with 98% of the parts I get from my dealer. The temp gauge on my '49 H was purchased from CaseIH about 15 years ago, looks close to the original & has given me zero problems. The oil gauge is from a '42 & has yet to fail. My future purchases in gauges will either be used or NOS. I have a few used gauges on my other tractors & they work fine. There does not seem to be much longevity with a majority of the new electrical components. Once again, NOS points, coils & condensers are somewhat easy to find & have been used in everything but the 400. The 400 has a brand new alternator, haven't had any problems & it's through CaseIH. On the other hand, I don't have more than 50 hours on it.
Mike
Mike
RedRoundhead
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It is rather unfortunate, the lax state of tarrifs and finacial regulation/enforcement.
But same as you, most of the parts that I wind up needing, the dealer has them, or they get them very quickly. Some are pricey. Some are not. Bushings continue to be a really strange one for me; they are either dirt cheap, or hideously expensive. Depends on the source/volume produced. I usually make my own; however IH used some brass lined/steel shelled bushing here and there (with grease pockets), which I cannot source, because of wall thickness and size limitations. Oh well, I suppose!
But same as you, most of the parts that I wind up needing, the dealer has them, or they get them very quickly. Some are pricey. Some are not. Bushings continue to be a really strange one for me; they are either dirt cheap, or hideously expensive. Depends on the source/volume produced. I usually make my own; however IH used some brass lined/steel shelled bushing here and there (with grease pockets), which I cannot source, because of wall thickness and size limitations. Oh well, I suppose!
IH DID use IH with the big C around it. Before the change to IH only. My dad's 47 H had those gauges. I believe that changed about the time that Deering was dropped from the decals, I can be corrected. You have to read the number on the gauge in the parts book. That is not saying the aftermarket gauge will be 100% correct, but it will be close.
Without seeing it, I don't know what you have. Reputable (for the most part) distributers sell two kinds of gauges--IH only and CIH with the correct C wrapped around the IH, no cursive/ scroll or whatever that is. The number on the gauge should be the same as in the parts manual, but that may not make it perfect. OEM's look correct to me, or a lot better than the old faded ones.
You know darn well that IH didn't come out with the IH/Tractor logo from day one. It wasn't around until '46 or '49 something like that. I will edit this post if I can find the spot I'm looking for in Guy Fay's book. So why in the world would they have used the tractor in ONLY the gauges before that!?! They are close, but not right.
Here is an examle of a correct "circle C" gauge.
Here is the junk OEM has to offer.
OEM's picture was pretty small and doesn't show up but you can see that the stock gauge has the H centered in the I to mimic the circle C they used everywhere else before the IH tractor. On the OEM gauge they have the IH tractor circled by a C.
Fiat has been in charge of CaseIH since 1999. TWELVE years. This is nothing new.
Fiat's not "messing up" CaseIH, they're responding to the market like any other responsible publicly-held corporation. They have to keep profits up for the investors, and that means eliminating stock that doesn't move, and raising the prices on stock that does move.
Fiat's not "messing up" CaseIH, they're responding to the market like any other responsible publicly-held corporation. They have to keep profits up for the investors, and that means eliminating stock that doesn't move, and raising the prices on stock that does move.
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