Did Farmall ever use a white and red combination on the H tractor. Saw what I believe to be a 49 sell Saturday, appeared to be original paint on the tin. The grill and lower tin of the hood was white. Was this a dealer "upgrade" or a factory option or was it done by the owner. Just wondering. I don't have much history with Farmalls. thanks gobble
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farmallboy15
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I think some dealers painted them that way in 1950 to match the white demo cub, a and c as a promotion. Ive seen a M and Smta painted that way. The smta wouldnt have been in 1950 but the m was.
Allan in NE
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Someone got "creative" with a paint gun. :>)
Allan
Allan
That would have been all white.
The H you saws was painted to look like the more modern 350/450 tractors. They had a white stripe on the side of the hood and a white grill. It is fairly common in all brands. A lot of 20 series Deeres were painted like 30 series. VA cases were painted to look like the hundred series. At least they looked new from the road!
I would guess the paint pattern was loosly based on this paint scheme.
Nebraska Cowman
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Yep, I've done it myself years ago. Just a dealer trying to make it look more modern.
Nebraska Cowman
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I can usually find evidence of decals painted over
if it's an older repaint. dealers did not bother to
strip them. Just steam clean and a quicky once over
with a little sandpaper and a wire brush. I've
painted tractors start to finish in an 8 hr day.
Slap the decals on the next morning and it's ready
to sell or go back to the customer.
if it's an older repaint. dealers did not bother to
strip them. Just steam clean and a quicky once over
with a little sandpaper and a wire brush. I've
painted tractors start to finish in an 8 hr day.
Slap the decals on the next morning and it's ready
to sell or go back to the customer.
The fastest I have painted a tractor is about 6 months. But I paint it disassembled while removing all old paint and rust, and replacing the seals and gaskets. Probably looks as good as yours. One guy that used to be on this forum did one in a half day, the went out and ran into a tree.
Tom Fleming
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interesting post. I may be full of the brown, stinky stuff, but I would challenge anyone to tell the difference (from a color/shade perspective) the difference between the different brands of IH red unless they were painted samples laid side-by-side. If you do your homework, you will find that when IH was making their own paint, there was slight variation in batch to batch shades. While I am all for being close to original (within reason), people take this WAY too far.
Original paint jobs from the factory were runny, splotchy, and shiney, not glossy. God bless those who go all out down to the last microgram of pigment, hardener, and urethane/epoxy finishes. They ARE beautiful, but really boys, they are NOT original. People need to quit fooling themselves and others.
so, I am NOT getting down on anyone who goes all out, actually, my hat is off to your workmanship, patience, and results........but it ain't factory original......it also does not reduce the asthetic value of your work.
Do the best your pocketbook and time can stand. To the best of my knowledge (and I welcome corrections), only Cubs and C's were painted white for demonstrators, all others need not apply. If you have a Letter series tractor, it was RED from the factory as a standard. With runs, drips, and crooked decals.....placed in inconsistent locations. The best you will ever do, it to refer to the IH standards that have been uncovered to date, and go with that. Just because is was the "standard" doesn't mean it actually always happened that way.
ok, I am out of breath...............................uh...........well, fingers cramped.
Original paint jobs from the factory were runny, splotchy, and shiney, not glossy. God bless those who go all out down to the last microgram of pigment, hardener, and urethane/epoxy finishes. They ARE beautiful, but really boys, they are NOT original. People need to quit fooling themselves and others.
so, I am NOT getting down on anyone who goes all out, actually, my hat is off to your workmanship, patience, and results........but it ain't factory original......it also does not reduce the asthetic value of your work.
Do the best your pocketbook and time can stand. To the best of my knowledge (and I welcome corrections), only Cubs and C's were painted white for demonstrators, all others need not apply. If you have a Letter series tractor, it was RED from the factory as a standard. With runs, drips, and crooked decals.....placed in inconsistent locations. The best you will ever do, it to refer to the IH standards that have been uncovered to date, and go with that. Just because is was the "standard" doesn't mean it actually always happened that way.
ok, I am out of breath...............................uh...........well, fingers cramped.
I remove all paint and use acrylic urethane. BUT a professional painter can use the same lousy short-lived alkyd enamel as IH used and get as good a shine as I get with urethane, or at least a shine or gloss that is completely acceptable. If waxed and kept inside when not in use it will last a long time. The modern automotive paints are much better in durablility and UV resistance than the old alkyd enamel, but the gloss is not that much better. I think the so called "wet look" is an exaggeration. As to original, the original colors don't exsist anymore, simply due to the changes in paint due to enviornmental regulations and otherwise. CaseIH 2150 and the PPG equivalent have an orange tint that used to not be there, so I change the toners to resemble an original color that I have long since forgotten, along with others who refuse to admit that they don't remember either.
rustyfarmall
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WOW, Tom, I agree with you 100%. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Nebraska Cowman
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That was when was working at a dealer. yeah, my "restorations" take longer. I can pretty well go through a tractor in a month though if I keep at it.
old
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Rusty, I need a carb kit for a B414 IH tractor. Do you have them. E-Mail is open
Tom Fleming
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thanks guys, and one last comment.
It is YOUR tractor, you only thing you can do wrong or incorrectly is NOT doing what makes YOU happy. If being "correct" is what makes you happy, then be correct.
If painting it JD Green with yellow wheels and trim makes you happy..........uh.....wait......ok, that is going too far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would even "yell" at you for that one!
Last example. Tell me if anyone thinks this guys should be yelled at:
Personally, I think it is pretty cool. Got a close look at it, and believe you me, you would be hard pressed to think it wasn't factory.
It is YOUR tractor, you only thing you can do wrong or incorrectly is NOT doing what makes YOU happy. If being "correct" is what makes you happy, then be correct.
If painting it JD Green with yellow wheels and trim makes you happy..........uh.....wait......ok, that is going too far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would even "yell" at you for that one!
Last example. Tell me if anyone thinks this guys should be yelled at:
Personally, I think it is pretty cool. Got a close look at it, and believe you me, you would be hard pressed to think it wasn't factory.
rustyfarmall
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Rich, do you know which carburetor is on it? I assume it is a Zenith?
My email is open in the modern version.
Tom, Yes! This was a Dealer thing offered during the Farmall 450 era. During the winter months it was offered to up date a farmers older tractors to look more like the newer 450s after winter maintenance was preformed by them, it was an inexpensive way to perk the farmers and keep their shop busy during the slow winter months.
Later,
John A.
Later,
John A.
old
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I tried to find a way to e-mail you in the modern view but could not do so at least not in an easy way. I have it looking for your web site so maybe from there I can. The car bis a Zenith #C1836 British made VN It is a down draft single barrel and of all things an accelerator pump on it. Sort of reminds me of a car from a car or truck
rdandersom
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I've seen M's painted like you described.They were white below the curved trim line on the hood right back around the lower part of the gas tank.I assumed it was a local thing to make them match the 560 colours.
I never thought of it until just now that the "M" on the side was done in red instead of white which of course wouldn't be seen.Somebody must have made a special decal set for the two tone paint scheme.
I never thought of it until just now that the "M" on the side was done in red instead of white which of course wouldn't be seen.Somebody must have made a special decal set for the two tone paint scheme.
Brian Schmidt
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This makes me want to do one too.
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