Hauling 560.... thoughts??

dumb question... what brand of trailer to you guys use to move your 560?

thinking of maybe building one.

Excited to get started on my project!

I wouldn't use that one! Most of the times they are not rated for enough weight. That looks like a heavy one (MacLander?) so it might BARELY make it. Even if the tractor fits that is a PITA and very tongue heavy.

I use a 25' 14k Keifer gooseneck. It is 20 on the flat with a 5' dove. The 3' and 4' doves are too steep. My tractor will slip a little now and then even with the 5' dove. (Usually when the morning dew is on the trailer. The wood gets a little slimy) My buddy and I did the math and if you are patient you are better off buying a used/new one than building one. It just costs too much for the materials if you can't salvage them.

that trailer is rated for 14K... it's AWESOME

BUT

I cant get quite enough tongue weight.

Might need to get goose neck, just did not want too.

thx

The 560 rear rims are double bevel. An M with those wheels and rims at the narrowest positions will fit between the fenders with the wheels dished out as in your picture. I believe the rear end is about the same on the 560--but with too large rear tires it won't work. As to a home built trailer -- A trailer used on the highway has to be "certified" as to GVW, don't know how an individual does that, even if you are highly skilled. If you ever have an accident, even if it is not your fault, and something is found to be wrong with the trailer, you are in trouble.

very true... forgot all about that legal stuff.

I need to pay attention later this summer at up coming shows we are going to.

was hoping to find bumper pull trailer, but might be difficult.

thanks!

We have a local manufacturer called Trotter trailer. They have been a welding shop for years. If they don't have what you are looking for they can build it.

I know it my be a RISKY thing to do, but i know alot of you guys
have done it before, it back the tires over the fenders SLOWLY.

Just saying if you NEED to use that trailer.

IF you think you can BUILD a trailer, You might be able to come up
with some way to widen the trailer up front and reinforce the
finders/ make it less of an angle you have to drive up. - This is
probably what I would do rather then buying a new trailer.

The fenders on that trailer would crumple like used beer cans if you tried to back over them with that tractor...

That trailer is plenty heavy enough... It's got 8-lug wheels, so it's rated for 14,000lbs. Those look like the 4000lb rated rims with the solid centers, so it may be the 16,000lb rated trailer..

All you have to do is get the tractor narrowed up enough to fit between the fenders.

You don't NEED a gooseneck. A gooseneck is nice, but it is not an absolute requirement. Manufacturers wouldn't make heavy bumper pull trailers like yours if you couldn't safely haul heavy loads with them.

Construction companies haul bulldozers, backhoes, and excavators with "bumper pull" style trailers all the time.

As long as the trailer is rated for whatever you're trying to haul, and you've got enough truck up front, bumper pulls are FINE. You want a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck in front of that, at least. A 1/2 ton would work if it was a gooseneck, but it would be about all you wanted to tow.

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that trailer is rated for 14K... it's AWESOME

BUT

I cant get quite enough tongue weight.

Might need to get goose neck, just did not want too.

thx

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As I look better at the picture I see 8 bolt rims. That would make it 14k.

I didn't say it, but others did. You could play around with the rim spacing and dish to make it work. I would guess it would be ok.

Once you pull a goose neck you will wonder why you ever pulled a bumper pull! I see you handle. Colby, WI? If you are down by Janesville for the Rock River Thresheree or any other occasion look me up and I will give you a ride in my pickup. Heck, you can drive it and see how nice a gn is. The next thing I need is air bags on the truck to keep it level with a load on it. I think my rear springs are getting worn because it hits the helper springs pretty quickly.

Build or buy a gooseneck. They handle the weight much better and everyone and their dog won't want to borrow it.

I don't have a gooseneck but I have seen a lot of squatted pickups in front of a gooseneck. With the proper bumper pull trailer and a hitch equalizer you can pull a bumper pull with the pickup nearly level. I only have a 7000 lb GVW bumper pull, but with the proper balance it is possible to forget I am pulling something. If I put a gooseneck on my 1/2 ton, I won't even be able to haul an H, because the gooseneck weighs too much. I do wish my M/Super M would fit with the wheels dished out, I would buy one with higher GVW.

(quoted from post at 21:49:41 07/04/11) I know it my be a RISKY thing to do, but i know alot of you guys
have done it before, it back the tires over the fenders SLOWLY.

Just saying if you NEED to use that trailer.

IF you think you can BUILD a trailer, You might be able to come up
with some way to widen the trailer up front and reinforce the
finders/ make it less of an angle you have to drive up. - This is
probably what I would do rather then buying a new trailer.

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Proper weight distribution nearly always requires the rear axle of the tractor to be centered BETWEEN the 2 axles of the trailer, therefore driving over the top of the fenders STILL won't accomplish what needs to be done.

100% agree.... gota be a drive over style trailer.

well if it was me and in a bind i would build a ramp over the trailer tires to get the weight centred. rear of tractor will be sitting up but at least it would tow a lot better.

Hmm, Well it was a good idea in my head lol.

My 300 Rowcrop measures 81 in from outside to outside, double lip rims with the hubs on the outer rim, wheels dished out, 13.6 x 38 tires, and about 1/4 in of clearance between the center hub & axle housing on each side.
How wide is your 560 ?

There are a lot of things to think about. A deck over is much more versitle but then you are almost stuck with a gooseneck. There are a few manufactors that build a deck over bumper pull. They are mainly made for a larger truck though. I own a gooseneck rated for 22000lbs. You need to be careful and look at dot laws when it comes to these trailers. Like one of the other guys said if you get in a accident even if it is not your fault and something is wrong with the trailer your stuck. You may be at more of a risk running a gooseneck and some states making you dot inspect. Just depends on the cop and the state. Are you in Wisconsin? Send me a email. I can help you out. We have built a few trailers ourselves and had them inspected and got dot cert on them. I will help as much as I can. My email link is below. I can send you pictures of mine and the name of the place I bought it if you would like. Thanks Jason

What do you mean, "almost stuck with a gooseneck?"

EVERY major trailer manufacturer has a line of bumper pull deckovers. PJ has literally dozens of models to choose from, for example. I know, I've been shopping. You can get as small as 7000lb rated, and the sky is the limit from there.

You don't need a 22000lb rated gooseneck for a 560 unless the tires are loaded with mercury and there's about 16 sets of wheel weighs on it. A 14000lb rated bumper pull deckover will work perfectly fine.

You can buy what you want. I am not telling anyone what to buy. I am just saying what I have and no you dont need a 22000lb gooseneck but when you load something off center on a set of dual wheels it still trails straight. Singles dont they will want to sway. Just the nature of the beast. Yes there are many manufactures now that build a bumper pull deck over but they are mainly made for larger trucks. They will have a weird hitch angle to them almost all the time, atleast when i looked at them about 4 years ago. Goosenecks do pull much nicer and anyone that says they dont has never pulled one. You will need a good size truck to pull a gooseneck well. It could be do with a 1/2 ton but the trailer places that I have dealt with have always recomended a 3/4 or bigger. Again I am not telling anyone what to do just trying to help someone out. Also 14000 is the total weight of the trailer NOT what will go on the deck. So if you have the trailer and it weighs 4000lbs approx that leaves you room for 10000 on it. That would be the weight 806 approx. Which i understand is about 1900 lbs heavier then a 560. I would just be looking at also if you are making a buy this big that it is big enough for what you want to do later. I have the one I have because I haul 2 tractors at a time to shows. Also would buy on with a torgue tube in it. I would have radial tires on it. I also have a third ramp on mine for narrow front tractors. I DID do my homework when I bought mine and I did know what I wanted. I am not trying to tell anyone else what to get just trying to help. At the end of the day it is your purchase and YOU have to be happy with it not me. I am happy with mine. And you may also be the one paying fines if you do not fully investigate all the laws and reguirements to what the state you will using it in has. Again it is YOUR choice but just trying to help. Good luck. Was just trying to help the guy out been around trucks all my life (a lot bigger then a 1 ton pick up).