Anonymous-0
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Has anyone used e85 in there tractor. Ihave supper C I pull with Alan
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Dont know how it would do in a pulling tractor, but I run it in my working M. No problems!
Boy you're askin for it! 
I've never run E85 but here in the northeast we get E10 all the time. My Super M doesn't seem to mind E10 at all.
Plenty of people report plenty of problems with ethanol but I've found if you're even a little bit careful about where you store it and how you store it and using a good stabilizer (Stabil is not a very good stabilizer, SeaFoam is better, POR-15 sells one thats very good but quite pricy) then there won't be many problems.
Worst issue I've seen is that older equipment has vented gas caps so water can get in easily...
I've never run E85 but here in the northeast we get E10 all the time. My Super M doesn't seem to mind E10 at all.
Plenty of people report plenty of problems with ethanol but I've found if you're even a little bit careful about where you store it and how you store it and using a good stabilizer (Stabil is not a very good stabilizer, SeaFoam is better, POR-15 sells one thats very good but quite pricy) then there won't be many problems.
Worst issue I've seen is that older equipment has vented gas caps so water can get in easily...
E10 has never caused me any issues.
Frankly, I think these old IH tractors, especially the pre-1958 ones, would run on just about anything.
What you'll see with E85 is that the tractor will run lean, and you'll have to open up the "power" screw to dump more fuel in. That in turn will cause fuel consumption to go up dramatically.
Frankly, I think these old IH tractors, especially the pre-1958 ones, would run on just about anything.
What you'll see with E85 is that the tractor will run lean, and you'll have to open up the "power" screw to dump more fuel in. That in turn will cause fuel consumption to go up dramatically.
Janicholson
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using 9+:1 compression ratio, and richening it by 20%, then curving the timing can make substantial power. There is no water issue with ethanol. It has a high effective octane rating, but less actual energy than gasoline. Jim
gene bender
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I dont know where you heard that or where you live herein IOWA we have been using the product for like 30yrs and my As AND bS run just fine. Most set in unheated dirt floor shed and start in the spring just like they did in the fall dont even add new gas as thats another old wifes tale. I just cant figure out all the problems some have cause for 30 pluss yrs if it works here why dont it there. I have tractor that have been on many tractor rides some even last three days and go around 175mi during the ride without no problems.
The only issue I have had using E85 in a tractor is it tends to attract moisture, more so than regular gasoline. I use a bottle of "heet" now & then, this keeps the condensation down to a manageable level, the water never gets above the stand pipe in the tank unless you are loading onto a trailer, or going up a steep hill.
The condensation wll eventually build up, so now I drain my tank completely every spring & fall after the temperature changes stabilize, and the dew is not as heavy. I have heard most of the problems with E85 were with fuel injected cars & trucks, the alcohol eating up orings & seals or turning them to white powder, and burning fuel injector tips. That was with the older models, I think the blends they use now are much friendlier to fuel injection.
The condensation wll eventually build up, so now I drain my tank completely every spring & fall after the temperature changes stabilize, and the dew is not as heavy. I have heard most of the problems with E85 were with fuel injected cars & trucks, the alcohol eating up orings & seals or turning them to white powder, and burning fuel injector tips. That was with the older models, I think the blends they use now are much friendlier to fuel injection.
Anonymous-0
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E85 will eat metal parts in fuel system. Your e85(flex fuel) cars& trucks have a fuel system made up of stainless steel & plastic. Saw a factory rep. tell what to do to convert a regular engine to E85. Lots of work and very costly.
rustyfarmall
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Converting an old tractor to use E85 is fairly complicated. Step one is to pour E85 into the tank. Step two is to start the engine. Step three is to use the tractor. You may need to adjust the high speed idle mixture screw on the carburetor just a bit.
These old fuel systems are made of cast iron and brass. Next to impossible to damage with ANY kind of fuel.
Ethanol attracts water, but it doesn't cause condensation.
Ethanol "absorbs" the water, mixes with it easily.
You do know what HEET is, right? Almost pure ALCOHOL.
A tank of E-85 is like having a tank full of HEET.
Any condensation problems are from leaving the tractor sitting outside for months on end without using it, with a near-empty gas tank. Back in the day, you'd run at least one tankful of fuel through the tractor every day working in the fields. That kept the fuel system flushed and kept the condensation down... With PURE gasoline...
Ethanol "absorbs" the water, mixes with it easily.
You do know what HEET is, right? Almost pure ALCOHOL.
A tank of E-85 is like having a tank full of HEET.
Any condensation problems are from leaving the tractor sitting outside for months on end without using it, with a near-empty gas tank. Back in the day, you'd run at least one tankful of fuel through the tractor every day working in the fields. That kept the fuel system flushed and kept the condensation down... With PURE gasoline...
Anonymous-0
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Unlike gasoline, ethanol ( E 85) does not vaporize well at temperatures below 64 degrees fahrenheit according to "Ethanol Producer Magazine". All E85 ready vehicles are required corrossion-resistant fuel systems. These systems include upgraded plastic & rubber parts that won't corrode. Also the E85 Flex fuel vehicles are desigened to start on it in cold wheather.
Anonymous-0
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Thanks for all the input.It is intresting to hear all the diffrent views on the subjects.
Thanks again alan
Thanks again alan
My Dad has ran gasoline that contained ethenal in his allis chalmers B. This particular tractor is a crank start. When we used the gasoline with ethenal it was extremely stubborn, and to get it running we had to normally push it down a hill and pop the clutch. We saw on the internet that some people said gasoline with ethenal could be the problem. We got gasoline that contained no ethenal, and it ran like a champ. I guess it could have been because it was an AC lol. I suppose though, that it could be different in other tractors.
rustyfarmall
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What else was done just before, or at the same time as switching to the non-ethanol gasoline? Carburetor rebuild? New spark plugs? Points and condensor? Please tell us the whole story.
Really????there are different types of alcohol. Heet sells 2 types, methanol and isopropanol, it isn't ethanol. You think alcohol is alcohol....it isn't! Maybe you should do a little research before making a statement like that. People up here have problems with gas line freeze up here at - F temps with ethanol blends with fairly new vehicles so it isn't "gas line antifreeeze".
Rick
Jim Becker
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There ARE different types of alcohol. One thing they have in common is that they all absorb water. That is why they all work as antifreeze in a cooling system and any of them will absorb water in a gas tank.
Jim Becker
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The amount of water that gasoline or a gasoline alcohol blend can hold depends on temperature. If the mixture is saturated and the temperature subsequently reduced, there will be phase separation with the excess water settling to the bottom. The lower the temperature, the less water need be present to have phase separation. Even at 0 degrees, an E10 blend can hold more than 0.3% water without phase separation. Properly handled and stored gas will not have that much water in it.
Adding a 12oz bottle of methanol when you put 20 gallons of E10 in your tank, will run the total alcohol content from 10% up to nearly 10.5%. That will let the fuel hold a little more water, or equivalently bring the temperature of phase separation down a little. But if your fuel is that contaminated, you have other problems.
Adding a 12oz bottle of methanol when you put 20 gallons of E10 in your tank, will run the total alcohol content from 10% up to nearly 10.5%. That will let the fuel hold a little more water, or equivalently bring the temperature of phase separation down a little. But if your fuel is that contaminated, you have other problems.
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