Hauling M tractor

jerry hakenwerth · Mar 30, 2011

I am going to purchase a M tractor, my question is how can i haul this my trailer width is 6 feet 11 inches between fenders, the tractor width from outside to outside of tire 7 feet 4 inches. I have heard you can take the wheel off and reverse it will this work, I believe the tires have fluid in them. Also is there a place you can buy replacement steel to fix a wheel that has rusted out by the stem. Thank you very much for all comments

kevinj54 · Mar 30, 2011

Reverse a wheel. You don't say what the trailer is but an M with loaded tires may weigh 6000#

farmall300u · Mar 30, 2011

I would go rent a trailer from a trailer sales place that fits the job, i.e. flat deck with dove tail. It is no small task to rotate loaded tires on an M tractor so they dish inward.

good luck

LaBoyteaux · Mar 30, 2011

I agree with the other advice you have been given. I would add
that you should drain the tires by rotating the valve stem to the bottom and removing the valve core. Refill with air only. This will reduce the weight. I would not attempt reversing the wheels (dish in) until you get home unless you have a small crane on your rig. Water filled tires usually have a two piece valve stem. The rust makes me thing their may be salt water in the tires too. A repaird is not too difficult once you have the tire off the rim but a new or used rim may be easier.

Anonymous-0 · Mar 30, 2011

HOW WIDE IS THE BED OF TRAILER? I USED TO HAUL AN M SET OUT A WAYS ON A CAR TRAILER. I USED WOOD RAMPS THAT RAN HIGHER THAN THE FENDERS SO YOU ACTUALLY DROVE THE PLANKS. THEY WERE 11x11 COTTONWOOD PLANKS. IT WORKED FINE.

rustyfarmall · Mar 30, 2011

(quoted from post at 13:00:52 03/30/11) I am going to purchase a M tractor, my question is how can i haul this my trailer width is 6 feet 11 inches between fenders, the tractor width from outside to outside of tire 7 feet 4 inches. I have heard you can take the wheel off and reverse it will this work, I believe the tires have fluid in them. Also is there a place you can buy replacement steel to fix a wheel that has rusted out by the stem. Thank you very much for all comments

Reversing a wheel with a loaded tire is a LOT of work, and even if you get it done without hurting yourself, I think that M is much too heavy for your trailer. Your best bet is to find a friend with deck-over trailer to haul it for you.

The best way to repair a rusted out rim is to find a good, used rim that is NOT rusted out. Otherwise, find another rim that is rusted out, and use a non rusted portion of it to patch up yours.

sflem849 · Mar 30, 2011

(quoted from post at 13:16:28 03/30/11)
Reverse a wheel. You don't say what the trailer is but an M with loaded tires may weigh 6000#

May!?!

rustyfarmall · Mar 30, 2011

(quoted from post at 13:32:56 03/30/11)

(quoted from post at 13:16:28 03/30/11)
Reverse a wheel. You don't say what the trailer is but an M with loaded tires may weigh 6000#

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May!?!

Exactly. 6000 pounds would be the minimum weight for an M. Loaded tires will push the weight way beyond that real quick.

kevinj54 · Mar 30, 2011

(quoted from post at 18:06:52 03/30/11)

(quoted from post at 13:32:56 03/30/11)

(quoted from post at 13:16:28 03/30/11)
Reverse a wheel. You don't say what the trailer is but an M with loaded tires may weigh 6000#

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May!?!

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Exactly. 6000 pounds would be the minimum weight for an M. Loaded tires will push the weight way beyond that real quick.

Ya, we do not know how much is in the tires nor how many weights are on it..

It is all a guess when these people ask for advice and only give minimal info.

Haas · Mar 30, 2011

You don't say what is the capacity of the trailer that you are planning to use or how far you are going or what you are using as a tow vehicle. Trailer brakes are essential for hauling the M. An M with loaded tires will easily weigh more than 6000 lbs. If it has wheel weights, it could go 6500 or more. As others said, reversing the wheels is a big job and will require lots of help and/or lifting equipment.

BobsFunkyFord · Mar 30, 2011

Unless you are going to be hauling it regularly, I recommend you rent or borrow a trailer similar to mine. It has tandem 7000 pound axles and electric brakes. I hauled a Super M. It had calcium chloride in the tubes. I had about 4 inches to spare between the tire and trailer pipe rail. I would highly discourage reversing the wheels. I just changed the rear rims and tires on the SM. the bolts were rusty, it took a lot of work and help. Good Luck.
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Stumpy · Mar 30, 2011

My M with one set of weights, loaded rears, 3 point and wide front weighed in at 6,645lbs at the county fair last fall.

Money well spent for pro hauler to get it home to you.

my .02

Stumpy

504 · Mar 30, 2011

If youn pulled a valve stem at my place you would be paying a lot to resod my grass.

sflem849 · Mar 30, 2011

(quoted from post at 17:55:28 03/30/11) My M with one set of weights, loaded rears, 3 point and wide front weighed in at 6,645lbs at the county fair last fall.

Money well spent for pro hauler to get it home to you.

my .02

Stumpy

Take it from a man named Stumpy! He already made one poor choice and look where that left him! :lol: Sorry man, I had to.

If you pulled the core at my house I would do it in the driveway. Why would you ever do it in the lawn?

sws55 · Mar 30, 2011

How far do you need to move the tractor?

If the M is in good shape and runs well you can drive it quite a ways at 15 miles per hour on side roads in good weather. It should get close to 10 miles per gallon.

Rent the proper trailer? Hire a commercial hauler at $2 to $4 per loaded mile?

The Dukester · Mar 30, 2011

We bought a new PJ tandem axle car hauler trailer that has removeable fenders and an 84" deck width. We take the left side fender off, back our '49 M on (the rear wheels are dished out) clearing the right fender and backing on the trailer wheels a little bit, but it doesn't hurt 'em any. When the tractor wheels are on beyond the fender locztion we put the fender back on, the tractor wheel/tire is over the edge maybe 2" max., no problem. We put the tractor tight against the fender and chain it down. We cut two holes in the front mud shield right at the bolster end and put the chains there hooking on the tractor frame on each side and secured to the trailer stake pockets on each side, hooked as tight as possible. At the tractor rear we put a chain through two clevises, one at each side of the loop drawbar and secured on pockets at the front of the trailer then use a turnbuckle type binder to tighten eveything up. Leave the tractor in low with the brakes locked on. Using 3/8" chain everything is secure. The '49 M weighs 5825# with two sets of weights and 13.6-38 Titan tires not loaded. You could turn the trailer upside down and the tractor wouldn't fall off....unless the trailer buckled. Oh, we weighed the trailer wheels with the M loaded as explained above and the scales showed 6920#. The trailer is rated 7000# so it's legal. I'd guess the tongue weight at about 600#.

sflem849 · Mar 31, 2011

...We cut two holes in the front mud shield right at the bolster end and put the chains there hooking on the tractor frame on each side...

If you go just to the rear of that you can stright to the frame with a grab hook on the lower side of the frame with no cutting. I have unrestored machines so I don't worry too much about beating the paint up. If they were restored you probably wouldn't use either method.

kevinj54 · Mar 31, 2011

(quoted from post at 00:39:43 03/31/11) Leave the tractor in low with the brakes locked on. Using 3/8" chain everything is secure. The '49 M weighs 5825# with two sets of weights and 13.6-38 Titan tires not loaded. You could turn the trailer upside down and the tractor wouldn't fall off....unless the trailer buckled. Oh, we weighed the trailer wheels with the M loaded as explained above and the scales showed 6920#. The trailer is rated 7000# so it's legal. I'd guess the tongue weight at about 600#.

That must be one light trailer???? A 7000# trailer does not mean payload!

You got 6000# of tractor and tie downs listed.

sflem849 · Mar 31, 2011

(quoted from post at 10:29:31 03/31/11)

(quoted from post at 00:39:43 03/31/11) Leave the tractor in low with the brakes locked on. Using 3/8" chain everything is secure. The '49 M weighs 5825# with two sets of weights and 13.6-38 Titan tires not loaded. You could turn the trailer upside down and the tractor wouldn't fall off....unless the trailer buckled. Oh, we weighed the trailer wheels with the M loaded as explained above and the scales showed 6920#. The trailer is rated 7000# so it's legal. I'd guess the tongue weight at about 600#.

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That must be one light trailer???? A 7000# trailer does not mean payload!

You got 6000# of tractor and tie downs listed.

What you were implying, but I am not sure it fully came across is the fact the GWR INCLUDES the weight of the trailer. It is not in addition to the weight of the trailer.

kevinj54 · Mar 31, 2011

(quoted from post at 16:09:08 03/31/11)

(quoted from post at 10:29:31 03/31/11)

(quoted from post at 00:39:43 03/31/11)
That must be one light trailer???? A 7000# trailer does not mean payload!

You got 6000# of tractor and tie downs listed.

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What you were implying, but I am not sure it fully came across is the fact the GWR INCLUDES the weight of the trailer. It is not in addition to the weight of the trailer.

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I think we are on the same page. A car hauler weighs about 2000# so if this guy is 7000# on the deck plus 600# on the tongue he is seriously overloaded.

5000# is about max load for a car hauler.

He needs a 10k to haul the weight in question safely.

shawnm · Mar 31, 2011

(quoted from post at 20:39:43 03/30/11) [b:0aadd75521] Oh, we weighed the trailer wheels with the M loaded[/b:0aadd75521] as explained above and the scales showed 6920#. The trailer is rated 7000# so it's legal. I'd guess the tongue weight at about 600#.

I read that he weighed the trailer with the tractor and it came to 6920lbs. Not 6920lbs AND the 2000lbs of the trailer.

kevinj54 · Mar 31, 2011

(quoted from post at 17:03:11 03/31/11)

(quoted from post at 20:39:43 03/30/11) [b:3a95a9d813] Oh, we weighed the trailer wheels with the M loaded[/b:3a95a9d813] as explained above and the scales showed 6920#. The trailer is rated 7000# so it's legal. I'd guess the tongue weight at about 600#.

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I read that he weighed the trailer with the tractor and it came to 6920lbs. Not 6920lbs AND the 2000lbs of the trailer.

He says the tractor weighs close to 6000 by itself. The math don't work.

sflem849 · Mar 31, 2011

...Oh, we weighed the trailer wheels with the M loaded as explained above and the scales showed 6920#. The trailer is rated 7000# so it's legal. I'd guess the tongue weight at about 600#.

If I understand the DOT properly it would be the weight of the trailer without it being hooked to the truck. The way Dukester weighed it there is no accounting for the tongue weight. If he had the unloaded weight of the truck you could do the math and figure it out. Basically, it isn't just the weight the axles are carrying.

Stumpy(NH) · Mar 31, 2011

What are you talking about!?!? I didn't pull any core (I assume you are talking about the valve core) The tires are still loaded to this day. Besides. the pavement in my driveway wouldn't like the calcium either.

Stumpy

NDS · Mar 31, 2011

Not to argue about hauling M on car trailer, I think he should not but will someone post link to regulation that says it is illegal to exceed GVWR. I have read weight laws for all states and only found law in CT against exceeding GVWR a couple of years ago. A lot of states have laws against exceeding tire ratings and some against exceeding axle ratings and a few will not let you register for more than GVWR.

shawnm · Mar 31, 2011

He says the tractor weighs close to 6000 by itself. The math don't work.

The lightest 7000lb rated PJ trailer is 1640lbs. IF he has the 14' trailer, weighs 5825 like he indicated he is at 7465lbs. Add 4 chains and 4 binders for an extra 100lbs and we have 7565lbs. Take into consideration the weight of the tongue he would be close to 7000lbs on the axles.

With brakes on both axles he is at the max load but still a safe pull imo.

kevinj54 · Mar 31, 2011

(quoted from post at 19:04:04 03/31/11)

He says the tractor weighs close to 6000 by itself. The math don't work.

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IF

Big word right there.........

47farmallM · Mar 31, 2011

its not what your hauling, its knowing how to drive with the weight. i haul my M on a 16 foot utility trailer with dual 3500 lb axle. the tractor is fully loaded with 2 sets of weight and loaded tires. i have 1 chain on the front and 2 on the rear crossed. i live in DOT city with all the rock crushers around me and not one has ever made a attempt or even batted a eye at me. if you know how to load your trailer and pull the weight safely then you should have no problem.

heck Saturday i loaded a fully loaded I-9 on the same trailer and brought it 45 miles home and 50 mph.

i can already hear all ya rant about how i am unsafe i am.

Dustin

charles todd · Mar 31, 2011

These post are silly when it comes to towing. Experience and common sense can do a lot. My tow rig is a 2001 Chevy 1500 4x4. 5.3L, auto (w/cooler). 3.73 gearing, 10 ply tires, K&N cold air, 3"x18" glass pack, and no programmer. My trailer is a 20' home built with 2 - 6000 lb axles, 4 new 12" brakes.

[b:9f5a43e441]My last haul was 680 miles round trip. CAT scales tickets said 10,160 going and almost 18,000 return trip. Allis Chalmers 180, loaded tires.[/b:9f5a43e441]

[b:9f5a43e441]1400 lbs each, 200 miles one-way[/b:9f5a43e441]

[b:9f5a43e441]I dare to say heavier than an AC 180.[/b:9f5a43e441]

[b:9f5a43e441]Another nasty load. 60 miles at night in the rain on secondary roads.[/b:9f5a43e441]

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