Wayne L. Rickert Jr
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Attempting to start tractor. Won't start and the very loud grating noise starts about a second after turning the key. Where should I start looking for the problem? Second choice? Thanks
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Janicholson
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We need way more info.
What happened the last time it was operated?
Has it been doing this off and on?
Is the battery charged up.
Does the engine turn at all (looking at the fan)?
Is the noise at the starter or engine?
Is the clutch pushed in when this happens?
Jim
What happened the last time it was operated?
Has it been doing this off and on?
Is the battery charged up.
Does the engine turn at all (looking at the fan)?
Is the noise at the starter or engine?
Is the clutch pushed in when this happens?
Jim
Wayne L. Rickert Jr
New User
Last Time I started the engine-Same sound but only a short time, not as loud .
Not doing it off and on. Just the last time and now, but it's much worse now and won't start.
Battery is fully charged and I put a charger on between times I tried to start.
Not sure about engine turning, but don't think so.
I can't tell if noise is at the starter or engine, but seems to be in vicinity of starter.
Yes, clutch is in.
Not doing it off and on. Just the last time and now, but it's much worse now and won't start.
Battery is fully charged and I put a charger on between times I tried to start.
Not sure about engine turning, but don't think so.
I can't tell if noise is at the starter or engine, but seems to be in vicinity of starter.
Yes, clutch is in.
495man
Well-known Member
I agree wit rustred. My guess is starter not engaging ring gear, worse case is teeth stripped off ring gear right where the start is at now.
Any way you can coast/pull start it, or at least pull it a few feet to advance the ring gear, perhaps the start will grab then? That will prove if it's the ring gear or starter.
Wayne L. Rickert Jr
New User
Thanks for the information. If the starter, I know how to change that but the ring gear is something I'm not familiar with. My mechanical skills are very limited so I assume the ring gear is something that will require a mechanic. Can you give me a rough idea of what such a repair will cost? Thanks again for all your help.
Janicholson
Well-known Member
If you take the starter out, you will be looking in at the ring gear (in the hole). if it has been made unusable there will be less than 60% of the tooth length remaining. The stripping sound is likely the starter drive gnashing teeth with that gear. The engine only stops in two places when it is shut off, and as a result those places get the most wear.
If it has no history of the noise, it is 80% likely to be OK with a new starter drive, (New style with no big spring). Putting brushes in it, and new bushings is a good idea. Jim
If it has no history of the noise, it is 80% likely to be OK with a new starter drive, (New style with no big spring). Putting brushes in it, and new bushings is a good idea. Jim
Janicholson
Well-known Member
Your starter may not have the new style drive, but a new drive is called for, as is cleaning the components and using some PTFE spray (Tri-Flow is one brand) on moving parts. Jim
If the ring gear is bad, that requires that the tractor be split in half to access the flywheel at the rear of the engine.
The clutch and pressure plate needs to be removed, then the flywheel.
The ring gear wraps around the flywheel, and is a shrink fit. The old gear needs to be cut off with an acetylene torch. The new gear is heated and dropped on to the flywheel.
While you're in there, you may need to have the flywheel resurfaced. You may need to replace the clutch and pressure plate. You may need to replace the IPTO drive gear. You may need to replace some seals.
It sounds like you may want to have this service performed by a mechanic. Splitting a tractor is a pretty advanced task.
The clutch and pressure plate needs to be removed, then the flywheel.
The ring gear wraps around the flywheel, and is a shrink fit. The old gear needs to be cut off with an acetylene torch. The new gear is heated and dropped on to the flywheel.
While you're in there, you may need to have the flywheel resurfaced. You may need to replace the clutch and pressure plate. You may need to replace the IPTO drive gear. You may need to replace some seals.
It sounds like you may want to have this service performed by a mechanic. Splitting a tractor is a pretty advanced task.
Wayne L. Rickert Jr
New User
The tractor went to the shop. The nose cone of the starter had broke off. Additionally, it ruined the ring gear. Estimated cost to repair $1295.00
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