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Loren in WI · Feb 22, 2011

Are mv narrow front tractors that are used in a cotton picker really considered a true high crop or do they need a wide front end? I have heard both ways and I would like some comments on the subject.

1983lukey · Feb 22, 2011

You may have seen my picture on another forum of my single tire mv the way I understand it they were made both ways fewer with single fronts though

CNKS · Feb 22, 2011

Not the same tractor. I believe the drops on the MV are chain drive, and the drops on the cotton picker tractor gear drive (someone correct me) Single front was not an option on the MV.

sflem849 · Feb 22, 2011

At Buddy Short's auction a few years ago I watched a cotton picker tractor that was in BAD shape sell for 9000. They seemed to think it was the same

Harold H · Feb 22, 2011

A high drum cotton picker M tractor is definitely not a MV. The cotton picker rear axle housings and bull gears can be put on any Farmall M thru 560 as can the single tall front wheel. If the raised tractor is running forward, it also has the reversable transmission top from a low drum cotton picker tractor on it. Raising a M thru 560 with the bull gears and reversable top does not make a MV or 560 High Clear.

Harold H

Harold H · Feb 22, 2011

The factory High Clear tractors were equipped with chain drive drop blxes and a high clear wide front axle. A single front wheel was not a factory option, although a cotton picker single wheel and fork could be added by someone later if they wanted to.

Harold H

Harold H · Feb 22, 2011

The tall single front was not an option on the MV or other high clear tractors of that same size frame M thru 560. However a cotton picker single tire and fork would fit and could have been changed at some time. If your tractor has chain drop boxes it has a cotton picker front wheel which was added at some times. If it has bull gears it is for a high drum cotton picker tractor with a low drum reversable transmission top. I do not recall seeing your pictures of your tractor.

Harold H

NDS · Feb 23, 2011

I know from seeing it done that a lot of the high clearance cooton picker tractors were made at dealer from regular Ms. We had 2 that were tractors my Dad had owned for years before cotton picker was installed. For a year or 2 cotton picker was removed and low clearance axles and front wheel was put back on for use in field work but it was soon decided that was more trouble than it was worth.

sflem849 · Feb 23, 2011

Did they use bull gears because the chains couldn't take the stress or to change the ground speed for the picker? Or something else?

KIP in MX · Feb 23, 2011

Chain drive kept same direction of rotation for the high clear, whereas the gear drive reversed rotation for the cotton picker.

Wardner · Feb 23, 2011

This is the third MV thread in the last week. See the link below for more discussion and pictures. The link will also have another link for the other thread.

MV's were only supplied with elevated wide fronts. You probably have a gear drive cotton picker as opposed to a chain drive MV. See the threads to identify the difference via posted IH parts pages.
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Wardner · Feb 23, 2011

Should you still be confused about what you have, get Maury Povich to conduct an investigation. LOL

Loren in WI · Feb 23, 2011

I asked this question because I have a black and white photo showing a train car of new wide front and a train car of new single front tractors. They are all super mv tractors. It is in the book called the golden years of IH. I would like to think that photo is good. Has anyone else seen that photo?

sflem849 · Feb 23, 2011

(quoted from post at 14:44:04 02/23/11) I asked this question because I have a black and white photo showing a train car of new wide front and a train car of new single front tractors. They are all super mv tractors. It is in the book called the golden years of IH. I would like to think that photo is good. Has anyone else seen that photo?

Scan it in or take a picture of it and post it. That would be neat to see. You would really stop the whole debate when the single fronts and the wide fronts have SMV on their hood!

NDS · Feb 23, 2011

Do not know what you saw but the cotton picker tractors were produced along with other tractors and shipped to Memphis works for cotton picker installation.

NDS · Feb 23, 2011

The bull gears also slowed ground speed. The picker head on high drums had 2 speeed gear box and you could pick in first or second gear. The low drums did not have the drop boxes and could be run ib first gear only. High drum in second gear was about same speed as low drum in first gear.

sflem849 · Feb 23, 2011

So this is a low drum because it is not a high crop? Somewhere I was reading the drum is the head thing up front that takes to cotton off the plant???
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...p=20&tbs=isch:1&ei=FK1lTebpI4L58AbLn9GhBw

CNKS · Feb 23, 2011

Loren, the title of the book is "Farmall The Golden Age 1924-1954. The picture you refer to is on page 103. Super MV's are on one car. Single front Super M's,not MV's are on the next car.

Wardner · Feb 23, 2011

Sflem,

Low drums are less tall than high drums. They are used on highland or more northerly cotton because the plants are more compact.

Low drums don't use drop boxes. They have rear frame lids with two shifter holes so they can be used as a row crop when they are not picking as a reverse operation tractor.

Your link appears to be a low drum but I have never seen one.

NDS · Feb 23, 2011

That is a low drum about third or fourth generation 116 I think. The thing out front with the snouts sticking out is the head and drun is inside head My memory is a little dull on this but believe low drums had 14 or 16 spindles on picking bar and high drums had 20. The picker in picture would pick just as well as new one and the picker drum is made remarkedly similar but most new pickers are 6 rows and probaly twice as fast in ground speed.

Harold H · Feb 23, 2011

The cotton picker pictured is a 114 low drum picker. The low drum pickers had 14 spindles per bar. This is a 114 and not a 114A because it does not have Tri-Clean or oil flush lubercation, which was introduced on the A models. The high drum equivilent model was the 120 which had 20 spindles per bar. After the A models were introduced, the Tri-Clean and flush lubercation systems were offered as a field attachment and were retrofitted to lots of 114 and 120 one row cotton pickers, and 214 and 220 two row pickers, making them equivilent to the 114A, 120A, 214A, and 220A.

Harold H

Harold H · Feb 24, 2011

I just pulled up the whole series of pictures. I had only seen the first one. This 114 has had the flush lubrication system attachment added to it, which I could not see in the first picture.

Harold H

(reply to post at 22:54:13 02/23/11)

NDS · Feb 24, 2011

Harold for better or for worse when our pickers were overhauled they were switched from oil flush to special cotton picker grease. Correct me if I am wrong but believe later pickers came from factory with grease fittings in bars or auto greasing.

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