To all those of you who gave helpfull replys on my wiring issue, THANK YOU. To thoes who only criticed me maby you should open your mind to the fact that you don't know all the facts even if you are know it all's. First, I am using wire that is specially suited for that environment. I won't get into the specs. of the jacketing even if you would know the difference between MTW,THW,AWM,TXL,GXL,SXL,OR SGX. Second, Do you understand that you have to buy wire in quantity's, usualy 100'. I have found 50' quantity. But at .80 per foot that's alot of cash when I need eleven different colors to be original, and most of thoes I only need 14". Please keep your negitive remarks to yourself.
- Thread starter Michael D
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I thought you were given pretty good advice to simply BUY a replacement harness, which would be cheaper than the ordeal you are making of this!
BTW, I'd almost venture to guess in a pinch you could simply wire the old tractor with "automotive wire" and skip the use of any industrial/milspec/aerospace grade wire!
LOL!
BTW, I'd almost venture to guess in a pinch you could simply wire the old tractor with "automotive wire" and skip the use of any industrial/milspec/aerospace grade wire!
LOL!
Janicholson
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Go to the scrap yard and strip wiring from a bus Not only is it good, it is Colorful. I agree color is where it is at, Personally I have found suppliers locally that were able to sell it in cut lengths.
Wiring all black is also fine, Putting wire mark tags on each end and making a detailed diagram is way cool.
I wired my Austin Healy Sprite Toyota Using the entire Toyota wire harness. The dash has a printed wiring diagram with colors and connections to allow it to be repaired. How different? Well it has a Toyota Spedo mounted in the Smiths Bezzel and it is lit with the toyota green lights. The Lucas (forgive me for spelling it out) Wiper motor is hot all the time and grounded to change speeds and park. The toyota is not. It works. Go right ahead. It will be fine. Jim
Wiring all black is also fine, Putting wire mark tags on each end and making a detailed diagram is way cool.
I wired my Austin Healy Sprite Toyota Using the entire Toyota wire harness. The dash has a printed wiring diagram with colors and connections to allow it to be repaired. How different? Well it has a Toyota Spedo mounted in the Smiths Bezzel and it is lit with the toyota green lights. The Lucas (forgive me for spelling it out) Wiper motor is hot all the time and grounded to change speeds and park. The toyota is not. It works. Go right ahead. It will be fine. Jim
rustyfarmall
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Make it yourself. The owners manual will have an excellent wiring schematic, and will show you what gauge of wire to use. Making your own harness will also help to educate you on just how the whole system works.
John M
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brillman.com has one, but it aint cheap! Ive bought alot of these 5 or 10 ft long peices at Autozone before.
ScottyHOMeY
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Here's a couple of sources.
The harnesses you're looking for are on page 14 opf the pdf (not p9 as it shows in the index) at eh Agriservices link. My experience with them is that they supply harnesses with the wires colored as described in the various manuals. On my BN, for example, the were all of the yellowed lacquer finish over woven white insulation, with hashes/tracers of the appropriate colors, all within the appropriate loom, and they tag each end of the wire to correspond with a very helpful description of where each end goes. I've had nothing but great service from them.
The second link takes you to the page you want at Brillman's, who also offer excellent products and service.
AgriServices
Brillmans
The harnesses you're looking for are on page 14 opf the pdf (not p9 as it shows in the index) at eh Agriservices link. My experience with them is that they supply harnesses with the wires colored as described in the various manuals. On my BN, for example, the were all of the yellowed lacquer finish over woven white insulation, with hashes/tracers of the appropriate colors, all within the appropriate loom, and they tag each end of the wire to correspond with a very helpful description of where each end goes. I've had nothing but great service from them.
The second link takes you to the page you want at Brillman's, who also offer excellent products and service.
AgriServices
Brillmans
Farmallhal
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A 340 row crop must mean a Farmall 340 tractor and not the International 340 Utility. If this is correct, contact Porch Electric in Illinois as they list the individual wire harnesses as available from them on their website www.porchelectic.com and also the prices for the individual harnesses. If by chance your tractor is an International 340 model they also list the wire harnesses for that model as well and also the diesel models of each. They build their wire harnesses to the specific serial number of your tractor as delivered by IHC. Best of luck in your endeavors, Hal.
I imagine CaseIH still sells those, got one from my local dealer for my 460, built during the same time period. Many aftermarket places such as Agri-Services www.wiringharnesses.com has them. Carter and Gruenewald a CaseIH dealer in WI that does phone orders and internet for some parts has them. Not at all hard to find.
Who criticized you? The ones who suggested you make it yourself just like to do it themselves. You got the same answers as many others who have previously asked a very common question. I prefer the custom made ones, as I prefer not to mess with individual wires. I will say not to order harnesses from Steiner Tractor. The one for my Super A had one wire too short, and the covering for the bundle of wires was black and white like a Zebra. Wiring harnesses should be subtle and not that noticable. I fixed the short wire and put the whole thing in black plastic conduit. I have one from Steiner, one from a dealer, and two from Agri-Services.
IIRC, the original question was, does he make the harness all out of one color wire, or does he HAVE to buy the eleven different colors?
The answer is, you can do it however you want. There are no shock troops hiding in the bushes waiting to pounce on you, shove a bag over your head, and drag you off to Gitmo for not using the proper colors.
Frankly, develop a thicker skin or stay off the forums. You're going to get the answers you're going to get, even if they're not what you want to hear. Complaining about the answers you got is just going to get you labeled as a "kook" and treated accordingly the next time you ask a question.
The answer is, you can do it however you want. There are no shock troops hiding in the bushes waiting to pounce on you, shove a bag over your head, and drag you off to Gitmo for not using the proper colors.
Frankly, develop a thicker skin or stay off the forums. You're going to get the answers you're going to get, even if they're not what you want to hear. Complaining about the answers you got is just going to get you labeled as a "kook" and treated accordingly the next time you ask a question.
Maybe it was me, I said he should take them from work.
I would use at least a few different colors. Trouble shooting down the road will be a lot easier. I don't think I am a jerk for saying that. I didn't give this anecdote earlier, but here goes.
I had a friend who was wiring a siren in his pickup as well as a roof mounted light. He got some blue wire on sale of the proper gauge for the project and decided to use that. If you ever wired a siren before you would know there are a couple speaker wires, 4 or 5 to the switch and that many running between the switch and the siren box. So we were dealing with the same situation you are. About 11 wires all colored the same. Needless to say, when wiring the project one of the connections between the switch and the siren box got crossed and it wouldn't work right. You try and trace that back with 2 clusters of 5 wires and their all blue!
I would use at least a few different colors. Trouble shooting down the road will be a lot easier. I don't think I am a jerk for saying that. I didn't give this anecdote earlier, but here goes.
I had a friend who was wiring a siren in his pickup as well as a roof mounted light. He got some blue wire on sale of the proper gauge for the project and decided to use that. If you ever wired a siren before you would know there are a couple speaker wires, 4 or 5 to the switch and that many running between the switch and the siren box. So we were dealing with the same situation you are. About 11 wires all colored the same. Needless to say, when wiring the project one of the connections between the switch and the siren box got crossed and it wouldn't work right. You try and trace that back with 2 clusters of 5 wires and their all blue!
My auto store has a package of wire connectors in 18 different color codes (36 total connectors). Walmart has a similar package. I don't mind multi color wire packs if they are hidden like under the dash. But on a tractor I like all black with coded connections. Just my preference.
I used a copper wound yellow extension cord for spark plug wires on a Chev 350 and it ran that way for 100k miles (200k total).
Michael,
Be prepared that when you ask a question on this forum you will not only get a response to your specific area but it may also turn into a general discussion of the topic.
There is a wealth of varied knowledge and experience here that is worth reading and take with you what you want.
Good luck with your project.
Dell
Dell
That's pretty neat. I am just used to red being small, blue in the middle, and yellow being big and that is all you get. What store is that? (maybe I have to branch out from NAPA :lol: ) I will have to go check that out. I am going to make a quicky harness for my H because I don't want to put the woven one on while it still leaks. That would be a pretty good deal. You could use one color for the light circuit and one for the charging etc.
Settle down there pal...when you put yourself out there on a discussion forum, you will get many varied responses. Some you will like, some not so much. On discussion forums, as in life, there are many varied personalities. You will always have the "know it all"s"...the "dove deeper, came up drier" bunch, and the "what the hack are you doing it that way for?" crowd. Accaept it for what it is.
I found one for a 340 rowcrop that I restored. It was for a 460. Almost exact except some wires were too long which is no problem. Colors were the same and style was the same. I think there was one or two wires I didn't use and was able to cut short and hide them. It was about 10 yrs ago.
dansuper27
Member
I just had to get in on this if only to make folks aware of a good source for harnesses for our red tractors. porchelectric.com
They are just like the oem
They are just like the oem
Farmallhal
Well-known Member
Do you know if these are the Lloyd Bigler wire harnesses he used to make in Iowa? I used a complete wire harness set from Lloyd bought several years earlier on my Super C and it was by far the nicest set I have ever seen. I believe I heard or read somewhere that he sold out and Porch Electric acquired his business but would like some confirmation if it is known. Lloyd no longer advertises in Red Power or any other IHC publication. Anything you can provide would be most appreciated, Hal.
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