The real HTA in 1952

Wardner · Feb 14, 2011

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Notice that it is not a SHTA. Also notice that the clutch housing is different and shorter. Wheelbase probably remains the same as H.

These are the only three IH pictures of this tractor (serial #Q5514) on the Wisconsin Historical Society website. It is presumed that this tractor has been destroyed by IH.
It is amazing to me that it has taken so long for this tractor to see the light of day. Not sure if Guy Fay has reported on it.

sflem849 · Feb 14, 2011

You have been a busy guy since this morning! Interesting how it wasn't even a super. Was I correct in my thinking that it is a "stage II" style platform?

They must have tried working it like an M, too. That is A LOT of weight. Must be a good 1500# on the rear wheels and another 100# up front.

KIP in MX · Feb 14, 2011

Now that one would be interesting to reproduce. Imagine doing it with no blueprints and only a couple of old photos to go by.

Well, Wardner? Need a new challenge?

Wilks54 · Feb 14, 2011

(quoted from post at 17:54:35 02/14/11) That is A LOT of weight. Must be a good 1500# on the rear wheels and another 100# up front.

Doing their darndest to bog it down I guess, while trying to retain traction. It would have been fun to be a field tester back then!

F-Dean · Feb 14, 2011

The second tractor from the right in the top photo looks like a HV! LOL

What happened? Did YT take the "Discussion" off?

D Slater · Feb 14, 2011

think Red P. M. has had a artical and pictures in the past, Probably from Guy F.
Wardner a H, SH center housing and a 300 T/A housing is the same length. Only reason a 300 is a longer wheelbase is they put longer frame rails on them. When a SHTA is made the SH frame rails are used with the other super parts. So a home made SHTA is the same length as a H, SH tractor.

Anonymous-0 · Feb 14, 2011

Yes, I did the article in Red Power years ago. There's more photographs in the archives.

And, uhhh, blueprints. Best documented experimental tractor- whole file on the thing. Very unique.

The top photo is the tractor after is was dismantled for examination for wear.

Faster346 · Feb 14, 2011

(quoted from post at 20:17:21 02/14/11) Yes, I did the article in Red Power years ago. There's more photographs in the archives.

And, uhhh, blueprints. Best documented experimental tractor- whole file on the thing. Very unique.

The top photo is the tractor after is was dismantled for examination for wear.

Apparently there is a "real" Super HV TA..all restored..guy said he'll let it go for 50,000 :lol: :lol:

Brian Schmidt · Feb 14, 2011

How cool it would have been to get to work on such a project. It would have a real dream for me to get to do something like that.....

Owen Aaland · Feb 14, 2011

(quoted from post at 23:22:39 02/14/11)
Apparently there is a "real" Super HV TA..all restored..guy said he'll let it go for 50,000 :lol: :lol:

That price must not be to firm. He later posted that $40,000 cash would take it.

Faster346 · Feb 14, 2011

That price must not be to firm. He later posted that $40,000 cash would take it.

Should sell quick.

soybeanjoe · Feb 14, 2011

Red Power Magazine ran an article a few years back on a experimental H with a TA. In the article they interviewed the last living engineer on the project and had a couple pics, probably the same as what Wardner posted.

IIRC, the engineer said they built the tractor in the late '40s though the pics from the WI Historical Society showed a 1952 date. He did say that they used a reg. H and the TA was different from what they ended up taking to production in the SMTAs. He also stated that the tractor was sent outfor testing at IH's research facilitys, then brought back & dismantled.

IIRC, the engineer stated that only one such tractor was built though someone mentioned that three were built and later destroyed by IH. It was fairly common for IH to build an expermental tractor(s) and then after testing to dismantle them & use the parts in another project.

Maybe someone would have a copy of the RPM article & would post a copy here.

Anonymous-0 · Feb 15, 2011

There was no interview or last living engineer in the article.

soybeanjoe · Feb 15, 2011

I am redfaced. I did not mean to misrepresent your article. Evidently I am confusing it with a different article on another subject.

Again, my apolopgies to the forum for posting something in error.

Wardner · Feb 15, 2011

I think the dates such as 1952 are imposed when the picture is taken. What appears to be a S-Model pickup nose in the first picture, would preclude any date prior to 1949. I think the KB series trucks ended with 1948 units.

Development almost certainly started in the '40s. There is alot of R&D in those parts. However, it is odd that those plans were carried out to completion. At some point, the engineers must have figured out that the IPTO would have to be part of the design. When did thay say "OK boys, let's go back to the drawing boards"? Meanwhile, the Liftall crew was served notice that they had to get off their butts and come up with something different.

Wardner · Feb 15, 2011

Kip in MX,

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll let the Chinese reverse engineer that tractor. I'm still involved in making a tractor powered ice cream factory.

Wardner · Feb 15, 2011

Sflem,

Can't answer your question. I am not familiar with the difference between the Stage 1 and 2. Wouldn't think it would be much except for a few bolt holes and machined pads.

Janicholson · Feb 15, 2011

The battery must have been located behind the seat, the seat bracket looks unlike a box. Jim

sflem849 · Feb 15, 2011

I had it backwards. My SMTA has a plate and the H has the elevation built in to the casting.

As I reflect more. Having to still use the plate that the hyds sit on was more an artifact of having a longer tractor bc of the TA than having a shorter platform. The plate bolted into the two holes that the normal rear tank support would have used.
But if you can't see the stage II bat box we know it is a stage I...or earlier.

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