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Does anybody know anything about a International 57 baler. I was also wondering how big a tractor you need to operate, I have a Kubota 27 hp. And finally do you think it would be worth purchasing one for about $700.00 It is supposed to be in good shape but I haven't looked at it yet. Thanks Guys!
Joe
 
Back in the day, this was IHs top of the line high capacity baler. Available with PTO drive, 26 hp water cooled IH engine or 29.5 hp air cooled wisconsin engine. Kinda uses up your 27 hp.

Weight of the PTO model was 4100 lbs and the IH engine version weighed 4700 lbs. Might be a little pushy on hills if you have any.

Be aware also that this baler makes a 15 x 19 inch bale instead of the more common 14 x 18.
 
I wouldn't try to pull it with less than 47 hp.
I have one and I run a 47 hp ford and it will just make it. I actually just bought a 118hp 1206 and it pulls it like a charm. But you can get by on the level with the 47hp. My Massy 126 can get by on 37hp but get a heavy load and you do a lot of either clutch riding or sitting letting it clean out. LarryT
 
Smaller square balers need 15+ hp on the PTO, and that leaves 12hp to pull the unit, With flat ground it could be doable but unless your tractor is near 4000lbs you would have trouble, We had an H with about that hp and it worked Ok for years, but it was a heavy built tractor. I would look for one with an onboard engine, it would save your PTO drivetrain. But still level ground would be a must.
 
I meant to say a baler smaller than the 57 could be doable with exceptions, even then 35hp or more would be desirable. If you have a couple acres you could use lower gears, But depending on your Kubota model then it might not be doable at all.
 
Hi Gene,

Only a guess but I think it would have to be the C-123. The C-60 Cub engine couldn't possibly do it although it was used on some smaller balers.

Looking at a piece of sales lit from early 60s (64 I think). Saved it cause Dad bought a 47 baler in the spring of 64 or 65. Shows picture of the WisconSIN but no pic of the IH. All it says is "26 hp water cooled IH engine". The 47 was $2200 and the 57 was $2800 so you know which one he bought.
 
Joe, back in the early 1950's when we got our first hay baler it was a fairly heavy Dearborn model with a 25 hp 4 cyl. Wisconsin gas engine. We pulled it trailed by a wagon on which the hay was stacked with an 8N Ford at the time and most of the hay fields were fairly flat. The only real problem I recall was when we got into a wet spot in the field the 8N would get stuck if it was very soft. We would have to pull everything out with chains and another tractor on drier gound. Grandpa upgraded his tractor in a couple of years to a larger tri-cycle front end Ford which was a model with the transmission neutral being in a verticle direction. Don't recall the model number but it was much more capable and shortly there after we went to a PTO driven baler as that Ford had a two stage clutch with quite a bit more hp. There were a lot of IH hay balers in the neighborhood being pulled with Farmall H's which seemed to handle them fine. This post is like a short story but heck that was 60 years ago, Hal.
 
Thanks for all the help and advice Guys! Sounds like I need to look for one with its own engine.
Joe
 
They must have ran that engine pretty fast to get the 26 unless it had the 3 1/4 bore. Maybe they ran the 123 1600 or so as they started to run more rpms on the 123 engines like in the 240 tricycle as the tach says 540 then there is some more rpms after the 540 point i would have to look but i think it maxes out around 1900 i will need to look again at the tack but i do know theres a mark for the 540 pto but engine runs much faster after that mark.Kust wondering as i found a real clean A with the newer block that will take the 3 1/4 sleeves. It now has the 3in bore. Im going to put the 3 1/4 sleeves they gave me a price for 252 for the kit those would also be hi dome RED POWER. I will be able to realy make dirt fly with the plow as it will have around 28hpand 135cu in
 
After the horse drawn hay loader, the JDB pulled a 50T without a wagon; 1969 the 8N pulled a IH 27 without a wagon, both which are in the Wagonhouse in moth balls, then the JD 2010 on the 27 with a wagon. It takes more HP to run both the tractor and PTO driven baler.
 
(quoted from post at 20:15:16 12/14/10) Thanks for all the help and advice Guys! Sounds like I need to look for one with its own engine.
Joe
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If you find one make sure it has the dolly wheel with it! Way too much tongue weight, many H&SH drawbars were bent from those balers.
 
The horse power rating of an engine on a baler is going to more that what it would be in a tractor because it will be rated flywheel HP instead of belt, PTO, or drawbar.
 
Did the 57 replace the 55 as lots of those engines were used on the 66 and 55w wire model.The one engine i have came from Colo and even was wired for lites but didnt have the tractor sheet metal.
 
(quoted from post at 20:15:16 12/14/10) Thanks for all the help and advice Guys! Sounds like I need to look for one with its own engine.
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Not saying they don't exist but you may be looking for a long long time to find a usable baler with its own engine.

In light hay, with no wagon, on relatively flat ground, this 57 baler will do just fine behind your Kubota. Just go slow.

If you were trying to bale 1000's of bales of 100+ bale-to-the-acre hay laid down with a 16ft mower, yeah, you'd need a bigger tractor.

You're probably working some land that hasn't been maintained so the seeding will be thin. No fertilizer so it won't be exceptionally tall. Using a 7 or 9ft mower... You're talking maybe 40-50 bale/acre hay for 1st cutting. Couple of acres... even 5 acres... even if it takes you all day who cares? It'll be fun!
 
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