Tractor listed incorrectly on Ebay......

RTR · Dec 3, 2010

Check this tractor out. I believe this is a Farmall M (or variant) as it is listed as a B450, and I haven't ever seen one of those that looked like this. I think it is listed incorrectly. Maybe this will be a good find for someone.

http://cgi.ebay.com/INTERNATIONAL-M...pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c593fa431

rustred · Dec 3, 2010

idiots tryin to sell something they dont have a clue what it is.(farmall m). starting bid is too much for that thing.

Anonymous-0 · Dec 3, 2010

If it is a B450, it is a British built M diesel but has a direct injected diesel engine, not start on gas switch to diesel, and actual 3 point hitch. Been a few advertised the last few years.

Brad Motheral · Dec 3, 2010

better have another look there. it's definitely a british farmall. check out the exh. manifold and the 3 point hitch arms underneath

RTR · Dec 3, 2010

Ok, never knew about those. Well in that case, maybe its worth the starting price and something to look into. Yall tell me...

D Slater · Dec 4, 2010

Lister sholud have better picture or pictures, But from the looks of the live hydraulic pump lines going toward the rear of the tractor it looks like that may be what it is.

D Slater · Dec 4, 2010

Brad for some reason the post by you to his question, that you already had answered wasn't shown on my computor until after I answered.

Mike Farmer · Dec 4, 2010

I'm pretty sure its a BMD or maybe a Super BMD. Straight deisel made in Doncaster UK. Front doesn't look quite right for a B450. I'll 'dig around' and see if I can find a definite answer.
MTF

Mike Farmer · Dec 4, 2010

I've just looked at some pics of B450 and it doesn't have the opening at the bottom of the radiator grill. So almost certainly BMD(99%).MTF

Anonymous-0 · Dec 4, 2010

The tractor is a UK built B450 tractor built in a Farmall style and known as a B450 FARMALL. The seat is the type fitted to the UK built B450 tractors. MJ

Anonymous-0 · Dec 4, 2010

The UK built Farmall BM, BMD, SBM SBMD and B450 farmalls all had the removable panel for the cultivator shifter lever. Here in Lincolnshire Fisons Farmworks had a fleet of B450 farmalls for pulling trailed sprayers with special cabs on them. They run the tractors till 1970 when the safety cab law stoped them from using them and a few of them foun their way into tractor collections. MJ

John M · Dec 4, 2010

Now dont you just fell foolish calling the man an idiot!

Anonymous-0 · Dec 4, 2010

It's a B450. I had one for about twelve years back in the 70's and early 80's. That is a row crop B450 as the serial number tag will say B450 RC( row crop ) and then the serial number. From the front you thinking you are looking at a American Farmall SM. I still have the owners manual and parts book for it. The hyd pump was mounted up front and two steel lines ran to the back. It was one hell of a tractor but very hard to start. Factory 3pt hitch and differental lock. The pictures in my books show the head lights mounted on the front hood, grill, but mine had them on the post like a Farmall M. My SMD was rated at the same hp as the B450, 52 hp, but the SMD WOULD not keep up with the B450. The front and rear wheels were the same as my SMD also. This one on ebay, I could not find where it tells is located at.

Harold H · Dec 4, 2010

It definitely looks like a Farmall B-450. I wonder where it is located?

Harold H

rustyfarmall · Dec 4, 2010

It is located in Westpoint, Mississippi. Click on the "other item info"

Larry B 1486 · Dec 4, 2010

Harold, Did you post a while back on B450's and said they were sold out of Memphis, TN.? Were the ones brought in to the US all of the Farmall style? I have seen several pictures on the net of B450's and most I guess were taken in the UK and they were like what I would call wheatland style. Would you call that, International style or McCormick? I know on the hood it says McCormick, Farmall, International. If I had tin cans of extra money burried in the back yard, I would love to buy one back. It would have to be the Farmall style.

Wardner · Dec 4, 2010

Larry B.

I would like to have that B450 parts book. If not for sale, how about posting good pictures of the differential and diff-lock. I would want the drawings and itemized part descriptions with part numbers. I'm hoping these parts may fit US built tractors of the same size.

Of course, if these tractors were imported here, the CaseIH site might have that material. I'll need to look. I do know that the website is not comprehensive and skips over some models. Foreign built tractors probably would fit into that rathole.

AL Farmall Boy · Dec 4, 2010

Are the parts for this tractor readily available? If so, are they more expensive than the parts for a regular SM?

D Slater · Dec 4, 2010

Larry the SMD when tested at Nebraska was rated at 33.03 drawbar hp. and 46.73 maximum belt hp. 450 Diesel with a 1/8 inch bigger bore than the SMD came with, different injectors and pump was only 34.68 DB. HP. and 48.78 belt HP.
Don't know if they rated a B450 on the PTO or belt. If they were compared the same way the british built was doing good. They were getting more power from a 264 cubic inch engine than IH USA was getting from a 281 CI. Think they did turn the B450 50 more RPM under full load than the F450.

James Williams · Dec 4, 2010

Check out the free shipping

sflem849 · Dec 4, 2010

He might be right that he is selling a B450, but that is one of the worst ePay descriptions I have ever read!!! Is the hood somewhere??? Does it run? Is the motor loose? One Picture!?!

Larry B 1486 · Dec 4, 2010

I had a hard time finding parts for it back in the 1970's. None of the internal parts would interchange from a SMD or a American built 450 diesel. Oh, the radiator, front boaster,belt pully gear box, front and rear wheels and fuel tank from a SMD was the same. Everything from the engine back was identical just different number of teeth on everything except the transmission cover. The B450 had a 3pt hitch and compltely different hyd system. You could only use a single acting cyl on the external hyd. No two way hyds. 3rd gear was at 5mph and 4th close to 9mph.

RTR · Dec 4, 2010

Well if parts are different for the engine, it sounds like a "Pig in a Poke". I don't think it is running, therefore it would be a pain and probably a money pit. Oh, and the hood is probably missing (which could be unique to the B450).

plow hand · Dec 5, 2010

Not interested but thanks for posting..

Anonymous-0 · Dec 5, 2010

I cad see you lads have about got this tractor worked out. The UK built B450 used a glow plug start diesel engine with the same bore and stroke as your SMD. Itput out 52hp at 1450 rpm and drove a 5 speed gearbox just like a M with no TA and ind pto. They took a lot of starting on a cold mornind they got called Doncaster disasters. I used to work one with an IH B55T baler. Many engine parts are still available here in the UK and i would think you could make a M bonnet fit. MJ

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