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Matt Weltz
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Will haul it no problem unless the 806 is heavily weighted. Even then it will haul it but you would need to be more cautious as you could be getting close to your trailer capacity. Make sure you have a trailer brake controller in the truck and good working trailer brakes.
Anonymous-0
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I think you and your truck would do a much better job with a 5'th wheel or goose neck hitch?? Bud.
ScottyHOMeY
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Brakes on one axle??? Nope.
AStripped down gas 806 weighs in at 8460#, a diesel at 9220#, that's before any weights, fuel . . . So call it 9K for the sake of discussion. Put that on a trailer that probably weighs in at 3K or better.
You've already exceeded the capacity of the hitch by more than you can wink at and get away with for long. As for the trailer, you'll have it up to 12K or better, approaching its rating. And I expect you'll be getting near the GCWR for your truck. Meaning you want all the braking you can get.
With brakes on both trailer axles, I might chance a short trip with the hitch. With brakes on only one trailer axle, I wouldn't haul more than a couple garden tractors on it.
That last comment is overboard, obviously, but is said to make a point. Anything happens in front of you with an 806 on that trailer behind your pickup, there's a good chance you won't be able to stop it in time.
AStripped down gas 806 weighs in at 8460#, a diesel at 9220#, that's before any weights, fuel . . . So call it 9K for the sake of discussion. Put that on a trailer that probably weighs in at 3K or better.
You've already exceeded the capacity of the hitch by more than you can wink at and get away with for long. As for the trailer, you'll have it up to 12K or better, approaching its rating. And I expect you'll be getting near the GCWR for your truck. Meaning you want all the braking you can get.
With brakes on both trailer axles, I might chance a short trip with the hitch. With brakes on only one trailer axle, I wouldn't haul more than a couple garden tractors on it.
That last comment is overboard, obviously, but is said to make a point. Anything happens in front of you with an 806 on that trailer behind your pickup, there's a good chance you won't be able to stop it in time.
Dave H (MI)
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Or at least the trailer won't! ;>)
rustyfarmall
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(quoted from post at 13:33:58 11/28/10) I've got an 03 2500 HD Chevy 3/4 ton, and a factory frame hitch (rear) to pull a trailer with two 7000lb (14000) axles, with one being a brake axle. I need to move a 806 Farmall from point A to point B. ST Louis is in the middle. Any problem?
Bad, very bad idea.
Rusty wheel
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Way too risky for me. Might no be legal.
BDT in Minnesota
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800-877-8499 Questions will be gladly answered by the Fine People of the State of Missouri.. I would check your entire route with any state that you would be crossing...
minnesota red
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get plenty of weight to the front so it stays stable and I don't see the problem.
As long as you have a few miles before you get into town load it and haul it, back of the truck should squat some to glue it to the road.
I pull a 36ft travel trailer in the summer that weighs right around 11,000 and it is a bumper hitch, use your head and you will be fine.
As long as you have a few miles before you get into town load it and haul it, back of the truck should squat some to glue it to the road.
I pull a 36ft travel trailer in the summer that weighs right around 11,000 and it is a bumper hitch, use your head and you will be fine.
If you have 6.6 diesel or 8.1 gasoline engine the truck is rated by General Motors to tow that much. Weight distribiting hitch is required for over 7500 lbs. and maximum tongue weight for reciever is probaly 1,000 lb. You can adjust tongue weight by positioning tractor on trailer but tongue weight of less than 10% of load can cause trailer sway. As for brakes they are required on all axles in most states BUT trailer with one axle brakes will stop quicker from 50 mph than one with two axle brakes from 70 and you would need to keep speed down because of possible trailer sway. If trailer had two axle brakes and you have big engine I would go for it but with one axle brakes probaly not.
mattlansing
New User
Will it haul it? Yes! Would everyone like to see you haul it?? Well, NO.
I have a 2001 GMC 2500 6.0 Gas, with a 20 ft 5th wheel hitch trailer, 2 10,000lb axles, both with breaks. That is more what you are looking for to haul tractors that have some weight. Now, my truck has more then enough power to get this loaded down trailer moving, but the issues in not getting started, but stopping!!! You can only control what is within your limits, and poor breaks are not within you limits. ALso, some construction guys out there, greatly overload truck and trailer,s and for the DOT, they pay to have a license on their truck to haul more. IF you get stopped you are the one with the fines.
ASL, I have a CDL, and one of the first things you test out of is Breaking, Breaking abilities. Most 3/4 ton trucks they have the power to pull, but not to stop. Some states you need to have a CDL for anything over 26,000lbs. GMVW, which means check your door, my truck is 9,000lbs (not actual weight but what the DOT figures), Trailer is stamped 4,000lbs, and if your trator is estimated 9,000lbs. you are getting close.
I have a 2001 GMC 2500 6.0 Gas, with a 20 ft 5th wheel hitch trailer, 2 10,000lb axles, both with breaks. That is more what you are looking for to haul tractors that have some weight. Now, my truck has more then enough power to get this loaded down trailer moving, but the issues in not getting started, but stopping!!! You can only control what is within your limits, and poor breaks are not within you limits. ALso, some construction guys out there, greatly overload truck and trailer,s and for the DOT, they pay to have a license on their truck to haul more. IF you get stopped you are the one with the fines.
ASL, I have a CDL, and one of the first things you test out of is Breaking, Breaking abilities. Most 3/4 ton trucks they have the power to pull, but not to stop. Some states you need to have a CDL for anything over 26,000lbs. GMVW, which means check your door, my truck is 9,000lbs (not actual weight but what the DOT figures), Trailer is stamped 4,000lbs, and if your trator is estimated 9,000lbs. you are getting close.
I believe 6.0 is rated about 10,500 lbs. That is because power is down brakes, suspension and such will be same as other engines and the 6.0 will pull fine on fairly level roads. The thing that would bother me most about brakes is that if you were to get inspected (very unlikely) you will probaly be fined and have to have tractot and trailer hauled off on roll backs. The way things are out there now any time you pull over scales with private rig of any kind, if yhey want you they have got you, they can cite regulations that you have never heard of. One thing most people don't know is any time you cross state line with vehicle that is used in any type businrss and total GVWR of combination is over 10,000 lbs. (CDL is 26,001 or over) you are considered commercial vehicle and come under a long list of regulations. About half states have same rule for intrastate vehicles.
Anonymous-0
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If you can put 16,000 on the front axel of a semi and 32,000 on the tandum that add's up to 48,000 up front on the truck tractor.32,000 on the trailor tandum = 80,000 so what could be wrong with a 7500 pound truck with 12,000 on a bumper hitch?? Nope,Not the DOT,but i hope you and those around you have good luck!! Bud.
DOT could get on your case if they think you're commercial, but that's not the issue. If you don't look overweight they won't bother you, unless the officer is a farm boy that grew up on IH tractors, and knows the weight.
The issue here is you're going to be borderline on the trailer capacity, and borderline on the truck capacity.
Your trailer has two 7000lb axles under it, plus the tongue can support some weight too, 10-15%. Figure 10% or 1,400lbs, and you can run 15,400lbs on that trailer without overloading anything.
If the trailer is long enough, you can park the tractor in just the right place to get the balance so you're not overloading the truck. Just enough weight to keep it from swaying.
That one axle brake thing bothers me, though. I'm surprised states allow that.
The 6.0L engine on the truck just means you won't be able to go as fast. If you don't have some ridiculously steep hills on back roads to climb, you'll just go a little slower...
Heck, if the hill is that steep, go to low range on the 4x4, or unload the tractor and drive it to the top. Are you in a hurry?
The issue here is you're going to be borderline on the trailer capacity, and borderline on the truck capacity.
Your trailer has two 7000lb axles under it, plus the tongue can support some weight too, 10-15%. Figure 10% or 1,400lbs, and you can run 15,400lbs on that trailer without overloading anything.
If the trailer is long enough, you can park the tractor in just the right place to get the balance so you're not overloading the truck. Just enough weight to keep it from swaying.
That one axle brake thing bothers me, though. I'm surprised states allow that.
The 6.0L engine on the truck just means you won't be able to go as fast. If you don't have some ridiculously steep hills on back roads to climb, you'll just go a little slower...
Heck, if the hill is that steep, go to low range on the 4x4, or unload the tractor and drive it to the top. Are you in a hurry?
minnesota red
Member
That is not right, you can cross state lines to haul farm equipment for personal use without any such rules or laws effecting you.
That is as long as you are within 500 miles of home.
That is as long as you are within 500 miles of home.
minnesota red
Member
Now that is a new one, never heard a equlaizer hitch as required equipmnet on anything over 7500 lbs.
Fact of the matter is, the way he wants to do it is just as legal as if you have a 5th wheel with the same axels under it.
Loaded correctly and it will be just as safe too.
The equalizer is not required here, I have been pulled over a couple times and have never heard that one.
Fact of the matter is, the way he wants to do it is just as legal as if you have a 5th wheel with the same axels under it.
Loaded correctly and it will be just as safe too.
The equalizer is not required here, I have been pulled over a couple times and have never heard that one.
Anonymous-0
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Mkirsch, you're forgetting to include the weight of the trailer. About 12,000# is the most you'd want. I carried a 12,000# crawler loader on a well built 14,000# GVW trailer behind a 3 ton truck and had someone on here insisting it wasn't legal. I could carry more tongue weight than a 3/4 ton and I think was right around the limit, legal wise. A lot depends on the tires on the trailer. That's usually what they check. A 14,000# trailer can't legally carry 14,000# with tires only good for 10,000#. I'd want brakes on both axles too. Dave
(quoted from post at 22:29:41 11/28/10) Now that is a new one, never heard a equlaizer hitch as required equipmnet on anything over 7500 lbs.
That's a requirement of the receiver on your truck, not law.
The factory receivers on even 3/4 and 1 ton trucks these days are GARBAGE. If you're lucky, the weight carrying capacity of the hitch is a whopping 1000lbs without an equalizer hitch.
To carry more than 1000lbs you need an equalizer hitch, and then you're limited to 1250lbs, or sometimes 1500lbs.
It's pathetic. The manufacturers don't even equip the trucks with hitches capable of towing what the truck is rated to tow!!!
Allan from PA
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I have a 2001 Chevy 2500HD with a 6.0 gas motor. It is rated to pull 10,400lbs and a combined weight of 14,000lbs. I also have a bumper pull trailer rated at 10,000lbs. that weighs 2,000lbs. which means it will carry 8,000lbs. It has electric brakes on both axles. I always stay in the 14,000lbs. combined weight rating no matter what. There is a forum on this site that discusses hauling and you can get more info. there also. I am always more concerned with stopping than going. Lot of hills around here and don't want to hurt anyone else or myself. Allan.
minnesota red
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The musta came up with that one after mine was built or perhaps it is not on the HDs.
minnesota red
Member
the 150 is an incommercial insurance regulation.
The rest is correct, the trailer he mentioned has the capacity to haul an 806 and long as the axels are not over 102 inches wide and he chains it correctly it should be legal.
This I don't mind, it is when you see one of those citiots hauling a farmall M with a loader down the road on a glorified snowmobile trailer behind an for ranger that I wonder where the law is.
The rest is correct, the trailer he mentioned has the capacity to haul an 806 and long as the axels are not over 102 inches wide and he chains it correctly it should be legal.
This I don't mind, it is when you see one of those citiots hauling a farmall M with a loader down the road on a glorified snowmobile trailer behind an for ranger that I wonder where the law is.
minnesota red
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The hitch itself that I have is rated for 4000lbs tongue weight and 20,000 towing.
problem is that they make the part for the pick-up BUT you can not find anything for the reciever that is rated anywhere close to that.
The reciever under my truck is not factory, I didn't like the numbers that were on it so I went out and bought one myself.
problem is that they make the part for the pick-up BUT you can not find anything for the reciever that is rated anywhere close to that.
The reciever under my truck is not factory, I didn't like the numbers that were on it so I went out and bought one myself.
minnesota red
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The hitch itself that I have is rated for 4000lbs tongue weight and 20,000 towing.
problem is that they make the part for the pick-up BUT you can not find anything for the reciever that is rated anywhere close to that.
The reciever under my truck is not factory, I didn't like the numbers that were on it so I went out and bought one myself.
problem is that they make the part for the pick-up BUT you can not find anything for the reciever that is rated anywhere close to that.
The reciever under my truck is not factory, I didn't like the numbers that were on it so I went out and bought one myself.
Being bored on a cold rainy day I looked up Minnesota regulation for farm truck CDL exemption in the official Minnesota trucker hand book.
Generaly a CDl is not required for operation of a farm vehicle that is: controled and operated by a farmer including operation by employee or family member if the vehicle is;
Used to transport either agricultural products, farm machinery or both to and from a farm.
Not used in the operation of a common or contract motor carrier; and
Is used within 241 kilometers (150 miles) of the farmers farm.
Generaly a CDl is not required for operation of a farm vehicle that is: controled and operated by a farmer including operation by employee or family member if the vehicle is;
Used to transport either agricultural products, farm machinery or both to and from a farm.
Not used in the operation of a common or contract motor carrier; and
Is used within 241 kilometers (150 miles) of the farmers farm.
I'd be planning to go through St. Louis at 2:30AM......(quoted from post at 13:33:58 11/28/10) I've got an 03 2500 HD Chevy 3/4 ton, and a factory frame hitch (rear) to pull a trailer with two 7000lb (14000) axles, with one being a brake axle. I need to move a 806 Farmall from point A to point B. ST Louis is in the middle. Any problem?
mike
minnesota red
Member
before you get to the bottom of that one you gotta dig way deeper.
150 air mile regulation would limit us to just about nothing, and we used to haul seed beans out of Buffalo ND.
Just gotta talk to the right person to explain it.
150 air mile regulation would limit us to just about nothing, and we used to haul seed beans out of Buffalo ND.
Just gotta talk to the right person to explain it.
Another cold rainy day, so for something to do I looked up Missouri brake regulations.
Missouri Revised Statutes
August 28, 2010
Chapter 307
Vehicle Equipment Regulations
307.170.3
Brakes: All motor vehicles, except motorcycles, shall be provided at all times with two sets of adequate brakes, kept in good working order.
That is all law says, so tandem trailer with brakes on only one axle should be legal IMO.
Missouri Revised Statutes
August 28, 2010
Chapter 307
Vehicle Equipment Regulations
307.170.3
Brakes: All motor vehicles, except motorcycles, shall be provided at all times with two sets of adequate brakes, kept in good working order.
That is all law says, so tandem trailer with brakes on only one axle should be legal IMO.
rustyfarmall
Well-known Member
(quoted from post at 14:00:56 11/30/10) Another cold rainy day, so for something to do I looked up Missouri brake regulations.
Missouri Revised Statutes
August 28, 2010
Chapter 307
Vehicle Equipment Regulations
307.170.3
Brakes: All motor vehicles, except motorcycles, shall be provided at all times with two sets of adequate brakes, kept in good working order.
That is all law says, so tandem trailer with brakes on only one axle should be legal IMO.
A trailer is not a motor vehicle. It is a trailer, and has its own set of regulations. You need to dig into those codes a little deeper.
You are probaly right my little mind was lumping truck and trailer together as motor vehicle. 307.170.3 does not mention trailer but for mud flaps, lights and some others catergories trailers are shown under motor vehicle heading.That will give me something to do tomorrow but we are supposed to have nice weather and most likely I will not get to it.
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I'd be planning to go through St. Louis at 2:30AM......
mike
Yeah but don't break down at that time of the night. The neighborhoods along the interstate are very dark. I wouldn't leave it alone. Cops will be up and down the road every five minutes looking for weaving drivers who are drunk. They will be watching you to. The only time you won't see a cop around that time is when you break down, walk away for 15 minutes, and find someone has loaded your rig up or stripped it down.
I'd be planning to go through St. Louis at 2:30AM......
mike
Yeah but don't break down at that time of the night. The neighborhoods along the interstate are very dark. I wouldn't leave it alone. Cops will be up and down the road every five minutes looking for weaving drivers who are drunk. They will be watching you to. The only time you won't see a cop around that time is when you break down, walk away for 15 minutes, and find someone has loaded your rig up or stripped it down.
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