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The Challenge is issued..duel is on Stuart!!!!

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Pete76NY

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I just slapped you on each cheek with a pair of gloves!!!!! Where are you? We meet half way, find a pulling club, pull our heads and see if our pistons are stock n "Git R Done"! 2 0ut of 3 pulls if you are really stock usin Div. I NATPA rules!
Then my fast hitch 2-14 against your (put brand here) 2-4 trailer plow...same ground, 1 acre each, timed and judged when done.
Then one acre each in the same weeds with a 5 foot hog.
Maybe find a spreader and have someone fill it so we can both spread with it? What other challenges would you like?
Bring your B too...but I'm only challenging that on the track...not in the field...they plow wayyyyyy too nice!
Loser pays the other's gas to the mid point, buys the winner a bottle of the winner's favorite choice we can share after, and loser changes his handle on here to IAMTHEIHIDIOT for one year!
I promise I will be a gracious winner and not rub it in! All are invited to watch or join with your Straight H's and Super C's!
 
...or if you cannot or won't, take the time to attend a well goverened NATPA pull, pay close attention to the Div. I 4000#, 4500#, and #5000 classes...pay attention to the Straight H's vs Super C's...you may see an Ollie Super 66 beat 'em both, a weighted up WD45 might sneak by 'em @ 4500# (might not)(guarantee you won't see that Farmall B the guy was talkin' about or any JD B's in the top 6-10, and you eill see Super H's beatin' 'em both @ 5000#, but if you see an H beat a Super C in those classes, GUARANTEE one of 3 things, 1) the Super C was sick or tired, 2) Someone snuck an overbore kit or Super H engine bt tech in their H, or 3)The H has the super low transplanter gear!
 
Do not think have either one of you have enough power to brag about, 60 years ago maybe. One of the tractors around me today will plow more tha a field full of Cs and Hs.
 
Yeah I know...hence the site name: YESTERDAYStractors.com! We had any interest in TODAYStractors, We'd be on another site...ya think?
That's like sayin "My new Kenworth will haul mor than you r old Ford Model AA will! lol
 
Respectfully, mounted F/H plows on the SC vs trailer plows on the H is not a fair comparison. Both need to pull trailer plows. And in my opionion, that is where a good H will pull away from a SC. Trailers tend to pull harder. The weight advantage will come into play here.... Shawn
 
Touche'! No fun pullin trailer plows with a C or Super C...been there, done it! It's like loader work, the rigidity of a framed tractor shines here...OK he can use some mounted plows if he can find 'em...but the competition is STOCK and mine came with a FH so he can use mechanical mounteds or trailers! lol
 
Had we been demoing them in '51,2 or 3 the H woulda had more than likely a Little Genius No. 8 2-14 maybe 16 and the Super C would had the mounted FH in either size if it had the hitch, or mechanical mounteds...wouldn't a caught an IH dealer taggin the Lil Genius behind the Super C!
 
I work nights...gotta zzzzzzz wil continue the discourse later! TY guys, been fun! Consider it Stewie!
 
I live in wisconsin and farm full time. Dont think I will meet you half way. You havent had any competition if your winning all the time. I know for a fact that a good strong H will out plow a super c. Been to alot of plowing contests and seen it first hand. If you claim that a super c has almost the same power as an H then the C wont last as long because the rear end is alot smaller. I pull mainly farmalls in the local 2 pulls and a JD B are very tough to beat on a really hard clay track. Pulling a spreader, the H will lug better and has higher road speed so I will beat you back the barn so to speak. Like I said about the local mechanic with the 45 hp Super C and 14.9s on it, he never pulled that well, tractor was to short. I have a 56 hp wc that I will challenge almost everything with,lol 2800lb class all the way to 5600lb class. I know for a fact that a Super C wont touch a WD-45 in any class. Like I said; you havent had much competition if you win as much as you say you do. Lets blow silage, again the H will win. At a plowing contest last year my H with 2-16s beat a Super C with 2-14s just like yours. Your defeated before you get started.
 
At the local two pulls I go to, The track bites harder than he11. Cs and SCs run out of power. My Dad and brothers pulled for 20 years and no one did anything with a C
 
Each tractor might be good at a few things but a H will out perform a C or Super C in every day farm work when you need a little weight. The C wasn't even heavy enough to pull a large trailer with hay on hilly roads when the H would take it and go.
 
I have just been hoping someone would take Pete up on his challenge. I do not own either, but nothing wrong with some good fun finding out.
 
I like old tractors too in fact I own some but I sure don't brag about how powerfull they are. To each his own though.
 
Shawn in P.A. hit the nail on the head about mounted and trailing plowes. I grew up on a farm where dad and uncle used two H's, one M and a Massey Ferguson 50. The MF 50 had more hp than the Farmall H and would pull 2-14 mounted plows better than the 2-14 pull type plows used with the H. Now put the pull plows on the drawbar of the MF 50 or a pull type disc and it could not do it like the H. Dad's cousin had a SC back years ago when I was a kid and had a 2-12 mounted plow and pulled a 6ft disc with it. Dad used 2-14 pull plow with his H's and pull them most of the time in 2rd gear and the SC moved a lot slower than the H. also we used a IH 7ft disc behind the H and I don't think the SC would pull 7ft in loose dirt on the drawbar.
 
How are you going to prove everybody is stock? Including yourself? IF you get beat are you going to tear the winner down for proof?
 
I would bet the SC would pull the disk. I have a 7 ft IH disk and have pulled it many times disking many acres behind a straight C in 2nd gear in plowed soil, then 3rd in loose soil once it had made a pass to break it up.
 
I am just guessing about the 7ft disc because I never ran a super C just remember dads cousins SC. He farmed about 60 acers with it and on one end our property joined. Dad and uncle most of the time had a harrow behind the disc with the H. In 1963 they bought a M and what a difference. Plow in 3rd and 4th gear with 2-14 plows.
 
Reminds me of a story about my great Grandpa. In his town there was a plowing contest between him and another farmer. The other farmer was using a farmall M, and my great grandpa was using a ford 8n. The 8n won.
 
I will take you up on your challenge if you don"t mind going against a 300 that only has a 175 kit (close enough to a stock H) at 5500 pounds.
 
Nah...no 3000s...too well balanced and the gearing is one of teh BIGGEST reasons I will always beat the H...Super H and 300 had much more appropriate gearing!
 
Pull the heads like I said, measure piston diameter, measure stroke, eyeball the governor and intake system, and check the carb jets...I'm good with that!
 
Pull the heads like I said, measure piston diameter, measure stroke, eyeball the governor and intake system, and check the carb jets...I'm good with that!
 
Your Super C has never been touched. Correct? So it still has the little cable with the piece of lead crimped on it?
 
I have a 1940 H that is pretty much original aside from rear tires that are probably 30 years old, hard as a rock with cracks wide enough to stick a finger in, but that wouldn't be a fair fight I know you will walk all over me with a fresh C, so I figured the 300 would be a better choice.
 
NO, workin" some OT, Harrisburg a lil far anyway...do most of our pullin" in So. Tier and Fingerlakes of NY...pretty much done for the winter...workin" on this winter"s projects: a Super M, a "53 Jeep, and a 420 Deere...if I get lucky and all goes well I"ll get started on the "55 R200 and maybe go to that New Years Day pull down ther in Pennsyltucky I heard about at when I was at Penn"s Cave this year.
Honest to God...it"s as stock as they come...bring your micrometers and I"ll tear her down...easy to do on a C!
 
All of the Pulls run by Fingerlakes Power of the Past are NATPA pulls...the year I won was about 4 years ago...I'll check the date,,,somewhere I have a copy of the Hook with the results...Was back when the State, Champ Pulls were at Junius, Ponds, NY...I'm in there...1st in #5000, and 3rd in #5500 Div. I
 
Never said it wasn't touched...I rebuilt it a few years back...but stock sleeves and pistons, stock crank (well it was ground so lil differeent bearings) no overbore!
 
I"ve seen this Super C work and pull before. I saw it get "teched" at a pull and I would have to say that it might be even a little less than bone stock.

However, the Super C"s I"ve seen are usually excellent pullers. What"s been said about them is primarily true and what has been said about a regular H is also true.

But the comparison is a little ridiculous. In some ways, it"s like trying to compare apples to oranges. The Super C is a more technologically advanced tractor than an H. The H is pretty much a "drawbar pull tractor and therefore can pull a trailer plow better than a Super C so that"s not the comparison to use. A Super C with "Fast Hitch" and 2x plow will plow just as well as an H with a 2x trailer plow.

All in all, considering the above plus the fact that a Super C has down pressure hydraulics, a Super C is the clear winner in the "handy class" and in general, can do about 90% of what an H can do.

I"m NOT knocking H"s. I was raised on a Farmall M and I"m a Famall fan all the way.

Now for the bitter pill to swallow: A Ford N with a 2x-14 plow will plow circles around a Farmall H with a 2x-14 trailer plow. Facts are facts.
 
I would of liked to have gone to the Harrisburg pull but its alittle far for me too! (720 mile or so)
MAybe I will hit Wauseon this yr but its not lookin ggood
 
N series were junk so who cares. My Grandpa bought one brand new. After two years of hard work the engine was wore out.It had great care to.They run that engine fast to get power out of it, and they dont last.If you want a real tractor get a 800 ford, we had one with 50 hp and what a great tractor, decades ahead of the N series. N series fords are glorified lawn mowers. I go to two plowing competitions every year and even a hot n series ford is no match for an H of any condition. Sorry but your wrong and I know it. You sound like one of those diehard ford guys.
 
Snappy, immature comeback, stuart.

Did you bother to read what I said above--about my being a Farmall fan? Huh?

I own reds, green/yellows, grays and and orange and have used them all. Grew up on a Farmall M and plowed more acres with a Massey Harris 44 than I could ever count.

Now-regarding the circumstances presented in the entire post, I was simply trying to make an objective comparison--and present FACTS. As a great person once said, "Facts are tricky things." Apparently you have trouble understanding "facts" AND processing the "posted word."

Have a good weekend and maybe you'd better cut back on the "Starbucks."
 
An N series ford plowing faster than an H is not a fact it is a lie, downright lie. I really dont care what you are a fan of or what colors you have owned, An N series wont out pull an H
 
There is no way a Ford 8n will out pull a Farmall M. A Ford 8n won't pull a 3-14's or 3-16's like a M. My son has a 9n and it's not much more than a riding lawn mower. He uses it to pull a little two wheel wagon to feed his horses and in his garden and has a 2-12 plow and a 5ft disc. When he plows his garden with it , the 2-12 plow is all it can handle in 1st gear. A Farmall M can pull 2-12's in fourth gear @ 4-5 mph. I know, used a M for years to farm with.
 
Play again sam. What are talking about??? Your right I didnt catch it, to much speed reading.lol
 

This has been entertaining.

I'm a red guy.

An H should pull an SC backwards. The H would be better in the "spreader" challenge, can't beat 5th gear versus the slower 4th on the SC. Cycle time is king on haulage work.

The SC with 2pt would clean up on a small parcel plowing but I'd give the nod to the H on a rope trip drag plow in bigger parcels.

I don't care for "N' tractors, but I'd take an 8N over an H or SC any time for all around work, might not lug like an H but at least it can use 3pt gear...

If I just had some garden work and had all the bells and whistles, a SC would be nice.
 
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