Help Indentify this Tractor.

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 24, 2010

I am having a problem identifying my tractor. I bought what was believed to be a Super A, but visually looking at it, it looks like an A. The front emblem spells out "Farmall" like on the A. Also, the serial # is FAA 200,947 which converts over to a Farmall A. This tractor has full hydraulics just like the Super A does and looks to be factory. Please help me out. I will post pictures soon. Thanks.

CNKS · Jul 24, 2010

The last A's produced were made in Louisville, your serial indicates that is where it was built. IH is know to put some of the new model features on the last tractors of a model run. Although it has hydraulics now, it could have come from the factory with a plate over the opening for the hydraulic pump and a flat spot on the torque tube for the hydraulic reservoir, those could have easily been added later. Any of those castings could have been changed. Also look for casting codes on the engine, torque tube and any other places you can find them. The format is 11*6*Q, Nov 6, 1947, P is 46, R is 1948. Any wide descrepancies in those
numbers means something has been changed. Also the seat could be off another tractor, along with the grill.

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 24, 2010

I already thought about the seat and the grill being changed out, but what are the odds that both parts would be changed out; especially the lower seat bracket. Maybe they did do that and they got them from an A. IDK. I can check the casting codes and post them tomorrow. As for now, here are some pictures.......

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 24, 2010

This pictures shows the grill which looks to be from an "A" tractor.

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 24, 2010

This picture shows the hydraulic pump, which tells me it is factory and is a Super A tractor.

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 24, 2010

Picture 2

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 24, 2010

This pictures shows the side view of the tractor. Picture 3

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 24, 2010

Here is a picture of the PTO system. It has the 90 degree PTO as well as the standard one. Picture 4

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 24, 2010

This picture shows the battery tray being sideways. I thought the battery tray/box bolted in longways with the tractor. Maybe this might be a clue....

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 24, 2010

Hopefully these pictures will help decifer some information. I will get engine # and casting codes tomorrow. Thanks for all of your help.Lastly, this picture shows the dash and touch controls, which are factory. Yes, this dash resembles one of a Super A. There is also an unusual bracket on the right side of the steering post. What is that for??

CNKS · Jul 24, 2010

I don't see the starter, the A had a push rod, SA a pull rod. If a pull rod, it probably came from the factory that way, if a push rod, that is evidence for an A. In addition to the touch control levers, the throttle lever is like the one on the SA, the one for the A was flat. Beginning to look like your serial is wrong, or you have a late A with added SA features at some point in time. Be nice if someone else comes up with a Louisville A like yours.

ScottyHOMeY · Jul 25, 2010

I'm leaning toward A, later modified. The odd bracket on the right side of the steering post was for the controls to operate an exhaust lift, something that became obsolete with the advent of the Touch Control.

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 25, 2010

Ok, then do you think it came from the factory as an A with exhaust lift, and had the plate on the motor for a hydrauic pump option, and later the hydraulics were added by the owner? Or do you think the tractor was an A without the spot for the hydrauic pump, and the entire engine was replaced with a Super A? I"ll get numbers soon and post them to help us out further.

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 25, 2010

Ok, the serial # on the engine reads FCM 26836. Then there is a D on the far right of the smooth place where the serial # is. The casting code on thhe block (under oil filter) is 12-29-R, and that pate is attached with round slotted fasterners. Another casting # on the torque tube (near clutch pedal) is 12-20-S. Hope this helps as I coudnt find a casting date on the final drives.

CNKS · Jul 25, 2010

The engine serial complicates matters, or makes them clearer. FCM with that serial and R casting number is a 1948 Farmall C engine, the A and SA prefixes are both FAAM. D means it has higher compression 5000 ft altitude pistons in it. S means the torque tube is 1949, for either to match the 1947 chassis serial it would have to be no later than Q. So it appears that the engine and torque tube came from two different tractors. It is still possible that the grill and seat and everything from the torque tube back is 1947 A. You might look for more casting numbers -- anyway your tractor is a hybrid, nothing wrong with that unless you object. I have a 1953 Louisville Super M with what I believe is a 1939 right axle housing, the letter is hard to read. Thus you can disregard what I said in the earlier posts.

CNKS · Jul 25, 2010

See if you can find a casting number on the transmission or perhaps the PTO, if none are on the final drives. I say this because of the SA amp box and steering column. This is countered by Scotty's ID of the exhaust lift bracket, though.

ScottyHOMeY · Jul 25, 2010

I'm agreeing with CNKS's post of 14:34. You've got something that started out as either an A or SuperA, and had some parts swapped onto it from the other. Oddest thing is the lack of a starter or even a hole for one on the torque tube -- I've been wrong before, but I didn't think those early torque tubes were cast and tapped to mount the Touch Control. Which is not to sat that someone couldn't have found a way to mount it.

Like CNKS says, it's gettin' pretty obvious that you've got some manner of hybrid goin' there. It can make some of your parts searches a little challengin' but, unless you're all het up over havin' an original tractor, there's not a thing in the world out of whack with it.

AL Farmall Boy · Jul 25, 2010

There was a starter on it when we got it. The original owner passed away, and the children were gonna get it going. They got a "new" starter and put on it, however it was hooked up wrong when we got it. The reason it is missing now, is because the ring gear is going to have to be replaced this fall or winter (when we get the 140 out of the shop, and the 2 Cubs going). We used the starter on another Super A that didn't need repairs like this one does.

As far as the castings go on the transmission or PTO, where will I find them; and are they going to be in the same format and on the same "tags" like the other ones? The reason I ask is because I saw some numbers stamped into the PTO, but they were directly on the PTO and not on a "tag". Thanks everyone for all the help!!

ScottyHOMeY · Jul 25, 2010

Al, there is no place on the that tractor where a conventional starter went. It would have been at the forward "bell" end of the torque tube on the right-hand side. It is simply not there. What you have is a torque tube from the first 55,000 or so on which an electric starer was not even an option. After that time, when the starter was an option, the shape of the casting changed and it was delivered with a hole to take either a wired-up starter or a blank plate to cover the hole. Yours lacks that hole.

As far as your PTO, the one that runs perpendicular to the center line of the tractor is for a belt pulley. The tractor does not have the customary PTO on it. I'm not sure what you refer to as a tag. There would be no tag on a PTO or in the absence of one. What you have there is a cover plate (often called a "delete" plate) to cover and seal the hole where the PTO would normally have mounted. Same idea as the plate that would have covered the hole where the starter would have gone if your torque tube had been cast and machined to take one.

D Slater · Jul 25, 2010

Scotty
Could be wrong but looks like it has the starter hole, if you look close the starter mounting bolts are protruding from the holes. Date code he gives for the tube would probably have came on a 49 model tractor unless it was purchased as a replacement part.

CNKS · Jul 25, 2010

Yes, it would be a 49, I forgot about the Dec casting date, engine serial is closer to a 49 too. But the engine and torque tube were cast about a year apart. I think the starter is simply missing.

CNKS · Jul 25, 2010

All casting numbers are cast in during the casting process, they may appear to be tags but are not. At least I have never seen an attached tag. Otherwise they will be in the same format. In 1947 on at least some models IH did give the actual year on at least some of the castings instead of the letter. My M is that way along with my dad's H that I drove in the 50's. Don't know if there were other years. You may not find any more codes. I have a completely disassembled 53 Super A with codes on the PTO, not the belt pulley part, and the left side of the transmission -- when put back together, the fender may hide it, maybe not. I also have 48 and 50 C's, no codes on the PTOs.

CNKS · Jul 25, 2010

There are some numbers on the PTO that are not raised cast. Perhaps they were stamped in, or maybe there was a way to cast in recessed numbers, anyway they are not the casting codes we are looking for, and I don't think you will find one. Unless you can find a code on the transmission, (remove the fender if you have to) I think you have found all you are going to. You have a 1947 A with replaced engine and torque tube. I bet if it does have a number it will have Q as the letter.

ScottyHOMeY · Jul 25, 2010

Right you are! Gotta apologize for that call on my part. First look faled me but on second look, yep the hole and the recess in the tube are there. Totally missed the date code. 8^(

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