Minnesotan H
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What would be a good plow match for a '59 450 gas? I was thinking of 3-16"s, does that sound about right? I was going to look for a fast hitch for it. What do you think?
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soybeanjoe
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In good black ground 3 16s would be a perfectr match. Back in the day we pulled a 3x16" fasthitch plow with our gas 450 in heavy black soils. Tractor & plow matched up pretty good with the SM & 3x14s. In light ground you could probably pull 4x14s
Anonymous-0
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I invite anyone to bring their 450 with 3-16's over. I'll be watching to see the operater's teeth hit the steering wheel, (or the tractor immediatly spin out) as soon as the plow goes in the ground.
2-16's would be a pretty good match.
Glenn F. (NE Wisconsin)
2-16's would be a pretty good match.
Glenn F. (NE Wisconsin)
Back in '64 I worked on a ranch on the Wyo./SD border with a 450 gas. We pulled a 3x16" F-H plow in silo corn ground that we wanted plowed fairly deep. In wheat stubble where we only plowed 5-6" deep, we pulled a 5x14" pull type plow. Most I saw as a kid in NE Iowa were pulling either a 3x16" or 4x14".
Allan in NE
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Yep, here too.
2 14's or maybe 2 16s at the outside. 25 horse per bottom. :>)
Allan
2 14's or maybe 2 16s at the outside. 25 horse per bottom. :>)
Allan
(quoted from post at 20:21:59 05/25/10) I invite anyone to bring their 450 with 3-16's over. I'll be watching to see the operater's teeth hit the steering wheel, (or the tractor immediatly spin out) as soon as the plow goes in the ground.
2-16's would be a pretty good match.
Glenn F. (NE Wisconsin)
The only thing stopping him would be the giant boulders in your "fields." Once you get north of 54 things start getting really bad.
ryanwheelock
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25 hp per bottom?? A farmall H is 20-25 hp and can pull 2-14's.
I am with you on this one GlennF. A good 450 with 57 or so hp would pull 3-14s ok if it was good going. I have never seen a plow go 12 inches deep, I think someone is off a little. I live in Wisconsin and people use to tell me that a 200 hp 1466 would pull a 9 shank glencoe chisel plow but it wont even try. You need MFWD to pull it around here.
IndianaRed
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Allen, I respect your opinion as much as anyone's here, and was confused by your post, so wanted to ask....
I've been under the impression, (from reading and learning here) that, generally, H's were 2 bottoms, M's were 3 bottoms, and with the 450 being being a little heavier and stronger than an M it shouldn't have any problem with 3-14's or even 16's? I understand that soil type has a lot to do with it.
So if it's some really heavy clay, a 450 would struggle pulling 3?
I've been under the impression, (from reading and learning here) that, generally, H's were 2 bottoms, M's were 3 bottoms, and with the 450 being being a little heavier and stronger than an M it shouldn't have any problem with 3-14's or even 16's? I understand that soil type has a lot to do with it.
So if it's some really heavy clay, a 450 would struggle pulling 3?
soybeanjoe
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Every one of our tractors had a 10" Crescent wrench in the tool box. If you were plowing the boss would stop you, take the Crecent out of the tool box & check how deep you were plowing. If any part of that wrench stuck up above ground level you would get an arse chewing on the spot. That was with 3x14 #16s & a #311 3x16. With our 5x18" 710 we always plow 10-12" deep.
A few years ago we were plowing a farm we had just rented wqhen my wife, who was running one of the tractor s asked what the off-colored circles were in the ground. When I got off & looked I seen they were pieces of old rotted wood where stumps use to be. Most of these circles were 3-4' in diameter & a few were even larger. Later I asked an elderly relative who had farmed the ground 30-40 years before if he remember any trees or stumps in the field but he said there were never any there when he farmed it. Quess we were plowing deeper than anyone else had ever plowed it.
As my uncle would say "Ain't no point just scratchin the ground."
A few years ago we were plowing a farm we had just rented wqhen my wife, who was running one of the tractor s asked what the off-colored circles were in the ground. When I got off & looked I seen they were pieces of old rotted wood where stumps use to be. Most of these circles were 3-4' in diameter & a few were even larger. Later I asked an elderly relative who had farmed the ground 30-40 years before if he remember any trees or stumps in the field but he said there were never any there when he farmed it. Quess we were plowing deeper than anyone else had ever plowed it.
As my uncle would say "Ain't no point just scratchin the ground."
I still think your full of it. Plus plowing with moldboard that deep leaves a hard pan that you wont be able to get out. What did you pull all the plows with that you listed? Rule of thumb is half the width of the plow share. 5x18 plow 12 in deep would require a 1066 with a butt load of wieght to even began to pull it.
soybeanjoe
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Think what you want but I know that what I said was fact. AS for your "rule of thumb", I think it's BS. Nobody in this area followed such a rule.
#16 3x14(10" deep) = SM in 2nd gear
#311 3x16"(10") 450g 2nd gear or 3rd with TA back
#560 6x14" (10") 806D, L-3
#710 5x18" (10" ) 1066, 1486, L-3
#710 5x18" (10-12") 7120 7th & 8th, 7220,8th JD 4640 B1-B2
Ground was Sable & Ipava loams. In case you don't know both are fairly heavy black soils, especially the Sable, and poorly drained
FWIW, I think you're the one that is full of it for calling someone a liar when you know absolutely nothing about the person
#16 3x14(10" deep) = SM in 2nd gear
#311 3x16"(10") 450g 2nd gear or 3rd with TA back
#560 6x14" (10") 806D, L-3
#710 5x18" (10" ) 1066, 1486, L-3
#710 5x18" (10-12") 7120 7th & 8th, 7220,8th JD 4640 B1-B2
Ground was Sable & Ipava loams. In case you don't know both are fairly heavy black soils, especially the Sable, and poorly drained
FWIW, I think you're the one that is full of it for calling someone a liar when you know absolutely nothing about the person
dansuper27
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I agree that 3-14's or 3-16's are going to be a load for the 450 but it should be fine if they are only going 7 to 8 inches deep. I have to add that I do pull plows 12" deep and it takes horsepower to do it and plows that are designed for it. Allen is right that to deep plow you need 25 hp per bottom. I use an 856 to pull my 2-16 tumble plow 12 inches deep an in some places you know it's back there but for the most part it's easy going. I'm trying to find a #40 two way 3 or 4 bottom plow. It was designed to go 16" deep. As far as hard pan....thats why the ripper was invented.
soybeanjoe
Member
ROTFLMAO I doubt if I lose any sleep over it.
Looks like we have a p!$$in' contest over who's dirt plows the hardest and not what is normal for a 450 to pull under normal circumstances. A 450 is rated a 3/4 plow tractor meaning at that time, either a 3x16" or 4x14" bottom plow. Where I was raised, it must have been "normal" soil as that's exactly what you would see farmers pulling. Dad never had a 400 or 450, the closest being a 460 gas and he pulled a 3x16" IH plow and a 11 1/2' Kewanee disc with it. I was surprised when we pulled a 5x14" on the ranch in SD, but we were not plowing deep... when we did, it was with the 3x16" Fast-Hitch plow for 50 acres of irrigated ground for the silo corn.
dansuper27
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It's not a contest. The man asked what would be good for that tractor and he needs to understand that depending on where you are normal is different. I would hate to have a 450 with a 3-16 or a 3-14 when in the soils here I would never be able to pull it deep enough to make it worth while. If your only going to plow 5 or 6" deep might as well pull a disk and leave the plow in the barn. Like I stated below I'm pulling a 2-16 tumble plow here in my soil with an 856 and it works the tractor. I'm pulling it 6 mph. I would never pull it with a 450 since I would have to pull it so slow it would take days longer to finish. I have a nice little performance calculator that IH gave out years ago and it shows acres cover by width and speed. 2-16's at 6mph is almost 2-1/4 acres per hour. 3-16's at 3-3/4 mph which would be 2nd gear on a 450 would be a little more than 1-3/4 acres per hour. I know a 450 would not pull in 3rd in my ground. So I would rather pull 2 bottoms faster and easier than 3 bottoms harder and slower.
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