what components am I missing for front mounted cultivator?

I recently bought an international 140 that I hope to use for 3 row vegetable cultivation. This is my first tractor, and will be used for a long time to cultivate and/or to plant with planet juniors, which I do not own yet. The tractor has two arms that mount toward the front and middle of the machine, and meet just under the oil pan. They connect from opposite sides. There is then a large donut looking slot that I'm guessing you'd mount perhaps one round standard too, or perhaps a mower? The tractor I bought is yellow, and I've been told it was initially set up for mowing, but the farmer I bought it from did cultivate with it, but probably cobbled something together to make it work. I'm too young of a farmer to make that happen without some tips. The 140's I've seen set up with cultivators seem to have 2 points to which the toolbar is mounted, one just about behind each of the front wheels, or in line with the rockshafts. I can see where some of this additional hardware would mount. I want to set mine up this way. What I don't know is what to call everything I need, so I know how to purchase it, or even exactly where to get hardware from. I've been told market farm implement has lots of things like this, but if you don't know what you're talking about, they don't really have the time to walk you through it. I would guess that to be true for most dealers in used wares. Ideally, I'd like to run a 3 row beet knive cultivator, or perhaps torsion, duck foot, or spring hoe cultivator, 3 rows each with 15" between rows, all of which I have some parts for. The tractor has been set up as 3 pt too, and I do have a track scratcher set up for it. Any tips? Is there a good owner's manual I can buy for it that would walk me through some of this? The one I bought does not get into the touch control system very well, nor does it cover any of these components very effectively. I can try to get pictures, but haven't had any luck finding my camera and my phone won't upload pics.

Many thanks in advance.

tim

You need to get a picture, so we know what you have. 140 cultivators are 1 row cultivators, usually 30 inch rows , if you want to do more than one row, you'll probably have to design something to do that, doubt there is anything that is bolt on. Good luck

It is going to be tough for anyone to give much help unless you find your camera. To get yourself started, cultivator owner's mauals would help a lot. I don't know of any on-line copies of the manuals. Binder Books should have reproductions for sale. The Super A equipment fits the 140 and is nearly identical to 140 implements. Look here for a sales brochure.
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1451&context=tractormuseumlit

In the meanwhile, Cub implements are similar enough to study. Go to this page:
http://www.cleancomputes.com/Cub/Cub Implement Manuals/index.html
then look at Cub-144 (single row, row crop) and Cub-252 (multiple row, vegetable). The corresponding cultivators for your tractor are A-144 (or just 144) and A-452.

let's see if these work. check out lotfotl community farm at www.flickr.com if these don't get through.

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Thanks Jim.

So, from the looks of the Cub cultivator manual you
linked me to, it looks like I have 1/2 of a
universal mounting frame for a cub underneath my
140. If I swapped that out for a super a mounting
frame, that should fit, you'd think?

You definitely have one side of a a set of universal mounting frames. Like I said, the Cub implements are similar to the Super A/140 implements. The Cub stuff is generally smaller/lighter. I think you have a Super A/140 mounting frame, although it may be mis-assembled and bent. In any case, that one frame doesn't get you very far towards a cultivator. Do you have some more pieces that aren't in the picture?

Here is a link to a brief discussion on farmallcub.com that I had with another person trying to do some of the same as you. The difference is he is using a Cub, but the basic ideas are the same. Sorry to keep pointing you at Cub information, but there is much more of it available on-line than there is for a 140 and you can get the general ideas from it.
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50444

That's all I have. No extra parts. I know a couple
of local people, and have shown them the tractor.
Typically, they're pretty good with these types of
things, but the cultivator set up is outside their
parameters. I will study the cub manual that you
linked me to and see if I can figure more out
about my machine that way. I may also buy a larger
manual, and try to find someone in Wisconsin or
northern Illinois that's willing to spend the time
helping me through this. I had read your 3 row
thread with David before and will refer back to it
I'm sure. starting from the soil up will give me
some work to get at right away.

Here is a illustration of what your cultivators should look like. Hope this helps.
Jamie

I dont know about the 140 but they had veggie types for the A,B and BNs that would do up to 6rows 15 on center. I have one for the A. They used tool bars attached to the main frame so you could space your rows and it would be easy with that type to do three 15 on center. I would bet they made the same set-up for the 140s. If you were here i could built the set-up as i have some parts from a cult that would fit on your frame. I have a cult for the SA and it is probably the same as the 140.

The illustration Jamie posted gives you a pretty good idea what your universal mounting frames should look like. It is one of the several tooling combinatons a cultivator might have. Note where the tool bar extensions are clamped on (at reference point 4). You can install a single bar all the way across, clamped on both sides. It will tighten up the whole cultivator, improving the accuracy of your tool placement. That makes it more like the vegetable units that Gene described. They were illustrated in the brochure at the first link I posted, at UNL. Can't see it very well in this picture, but it is an A-452 set up for four 24 inch rows, which I mounted on a Cub.

From looking at your pictures, it appears that your tractor only has one arm on the left end of your Touch-Control rockshaft. There should be two on that side, one controlled by each of the Touch-Control levers. It looks like you are missing the arm that is on the same circuit as the right side arm. You really need the missing arm if you tie a tool bar across the two universal mounting frames.

I should say, I have mounting brackets, standards, and spring hoes and torsion weeders. I also have a 3 row duck foot cultivator mounted on a toolbar. It's on danish tines, which I think would be folly given my soils tendency to be pretty hard in summer. I'm confident that once I get the arms I need, and all the other components of the lift system, I'll be able to hunt for extra clamps and parts of that nature, but the components that will stay on the tractor from cultivator to cultivator, I'm a bit out of my element on.

Sounds like you need to get a good pair of universal mounting frames along with whatever tool bars etc. happen to come with them. Then you can figure out what you still need to connect your tooling to the rest of it. If you run into questions later on, post them.