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Plowing with the H (short video)

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wilamayb

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My buddy was given an old H if he would get it running. Soooo after a head job (new valves, guides, etc... and milling it a bit we bolted it on with a rebuilt mag and carb and off she went.

Someone installed gas pistons years ago. Combining that with the milled head even though it is distillate it pulls like a champ!

We turned a new garden spot for a guy yesterday with my 44 JD plow set for 14" bottoms. The H runs along with it even in the sod. I was impressed.

This old H it T-totally worn out! I think a share cropper must have owned it. LOL

We have no electronics at this point. The Genny is bad as is the starter $$$$$$ so we are just hand cranking. I'm just glad it's an easy starter! I kid him all the time about having a dead battery.
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4th gear is perfect for plowing with JD high speed bottoms or maybe even a little bit slow. They seem to work best between 5-7 MPH. High speed bottoms are meant to be pulled fast only. The moldboards dont turn the soil all the way over at low speeds. We are using a vintage plow but with modern bottoms.

No, no rocks in west TN. Fairly good dirt and depth of soil.
 
The way it sounded, it was just about to run out of momentum. It wasn't going much farther in 4th. He yanked the trip rope just in time.
 
As deep as the 44 will go. Around 8 inches.

The real misconception is that deep plowing is good. It's sorta like lots of black smoke out of a diesel. So long as you cover the trash thats the only real point.
 
(quoted from post at 18:55:19 05/08/10) As deep as the 44 will go. Around 8 inches.

The real misconception is that deep plowing is good. It's sorta like lots of black smoke out of a diesel. So long as you cover the trash thats the only real point.
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Yes, you do want to cover the trash, but that is not the real reason for plowing. The real reason for plowing is to loosen the soil deep enough that the new crop can put it's roots as deep as needed to give support to the plant and also so the plant can find the moisture and nutrients needed to be healthy.

The only way that H would pull 2-14s 8 inches deep in 4th gear is if the soil were extremely sandy.
 
All I can say is that the video says it all, and here is a guy pulling a 3 bottom Oliver plow in 4th (shifter toward the front and way to fast for 2nd) at least 5" deep for you.

I've learned to never make absolute statements because it usually turns out to me eating a little crow.
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Also... If you have to plow as deep as the roots will go why would no-till work?

If you plowed as deep as corn roots you would have to go at least 10 feet. I'd like to see that.

Plowing in the past was only because you had to get the soil loose so that cultivation could take place and there was really no disk to get the job done. It required the plow. Now that cultivation is not necessary due to modern herbicides there is no need for the plow unless you need to turn the sod over in a hay field.
 
(quoted from post at 14:58:16 05/09/10) Also... If you have to plow as deep as the roots will go why would no-till work?

If you plowed as deep as corn roots you would have to go at least 10 feet. I'd like to see that.

Plowing in the past was only because you had to get the soil loose so that cultivation could take place and there was really no disk to get the job done. It required the plow. Now that cultivation is not necessary due to modern herbicides there is no need for the plow unless you need to turn the sod over in a hay field.
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No-till means you do not till the soil before you plant because the no-till planter does the tilling and planting all in one operation, and tills the soil ONLY where the seed is deposited.
 
Have mercy..... I was responding to this quote of yours.

"The real reason for plowing is to loosen the soil deep enough that the new crop can put it's roots as deep as needed to give support to the plant and also so the plant can find the moisture and nutrients needed to be healthy."

It's safe to assume that you have never used a no-till planter. It does not till the soil. The disk openers simply slice through the sod then the seed is dropped in the slice.

Using your logic of the reason for plowing this no-till would never work.

Plowing reduces moisture!!! It does not help the seed find moisture!

You also stated something about roots. For the record it has been proven that plant root lodging is worse in moldboard plowed ground and also results in decreased yield.
 
If you want a thrill, hit a rock that trips the breakaway while you are pulling on that trip rope. You would be amazed how far your arm will stretch before you can think fast enough to let go. :lol:
 
(quoted from post at 18:31:06 05/09/10) Have mercy..... I was responding to this quote of yours.

"The real reason for plowing is to loosen the soil deep enough that the new crop can put it's roots as deep as needed to give support to the plant and also so the plant can find the moisture and nutrients needed to be healthy."

It's safe to assume that you have never used a no-till planter. It does not till the soil. The disk openers simply slice through the sod then the seed is dropped in the slice.

Using your logic of the reason for plowing this no-till would never work.

Plowing reduces moisture!!! It does not help the seed find moisture!

You also stated something about roots. For the record it has been proven that plant root lodging is worse in moldboard plowed ground and also results in decreased yield.
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I never said moldboard plowing is better than no till, but before we had no till, and even before we had minimum till, moldboard plowing was the best we had, and you needed to plow deep.

As far as moldboard plowing reducing moisture in the soil? That is why you did as much of your plowing in the fall as possible.

There is also much eveidence today that even if you do plant no till, the soil DOES benefit from full tillage once every few years.
 
Again... I"m using only your information for logical conclusions.

You said that deep plowing was necessary for roots. I said that must not be true since no-till works. I say that no tillage is necessary.

You say you need to plow deep. I say why? Since we have proven that no tillage is necessary why would you plow deeper than necessary to cover the residue?

It"s just a waste of fuel and more time consuming.
 
(quoted from post at 21:06:56 05/09/10) If you want a thrill, hit a rock that trips the breakaway while you are pulling on that trip rope. You would be amazed how far your arm will stretch before you can think fast enough to let go. :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: As the Boy Scouts say, be prepared!


Sounds like the old H is going for about all it is worth. Still runs pretty clean.

Some places where I grew up, the clay causes a lot of run off. To help retain water for the dry months it was/is necessary to do some tillage in those spots. Soften it up for absorption.

Those high speed bottoms sure are different. My old #8 don't like to be pulled all that fast. When it gets too worn, maybe someday it will get some upgrading. :)
 
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