Gene Bender ..others...need cultivator help for BN..

jeepdude · Apr 28, 2010

This message is a reply to an archived post by gene bender on April 22, 2009 at 18:36:53.
The original subject was "Re: Gene Bender ..others...need cultivator help for BN..".

I need help on a BN cultivator. Got all the center and rear gangs installed, but having trouble with front/sides. Dont know what it is but I think I am missing parts. Any help would be great.

gene bender · Apr 28, 2010

You have a cult for a C. How do you plan on lifting it as it is made for the rockshaft on the C to lift and not with levers.

gene bender · Apr 28, 2010

You will have to drill the holes for the front sections as they are spaced different than the holes on the B. Where do you live as i sure would trade as i have a B that someone Used SC parts and put it on a B rite down to the controls for the hy system used a SC bellhousing Block moved the steering post to a battery box they made did a great job Now i need a cult for a C. Looks like your rears are for the B. So do you have the lever on the drivers platform to lift the rears also.Those fronts will lift hard by a hand lever you need the lift lever for the two-way moldboard plow as it would lift the left side then you need a lever tha will lift the right side. I dont see the levers you now have will work as they are for the B,BN. Give me a call as i think we can make those work with some different rework. 319-430-3907 I live in Iowa we are on CST.

LMack · Apr 28, 2010

The frames or front gangs appear to be configured for an exhaust lift which you do not have. It would be mounted on the left side at the very front. You need to configure for a strict hand lift. There should be a rod from the hand lift to the front rock shaft to lift the gangs. You have the front portion of the rod. The part that is missing would slip over your front rod and connect to the rock shaft from the hand lift with a pin through the adjustment holes. There should be one for each side.
You also need the tool bars for holding cultivator sweeps, hiller disk etc. I don't see those. I have a set if you need them. I do not have the "feet". I can get you pictures if you need them.

LMack · Apr 28, 2010

Gene, these do look much like the pictures I have seen of "B" front gangs. I have never seen "C" front gangs configured like this. The B, H, and M used this configuration with the flat brace bar and diamond main beam (see pg 30 of Updikes book). The C turned the main beam 45 degrees to make the surface flat instead of the diamond appearance seen here and the brace was a 3/4" round bar. The bolt pattern on the front is different for a C and I believe that only two of the bolt holes line up. Looking at Updikes picture, the frames could very well have worked on the B, H, or M. They look a lot like the frames pictured there and if you look close, there are multiple mounting bolt hole configurations.

LMack · Apr 28, 2010

Looking at Updike's book, these look more like the frames used on the H and M indented to be lifted with hydraulic cylinders. I agree with Gene that these will be hard to lift using the hand lift, especially if both sides have to be lifted with the same lift arm.

Jim Becker · Apr 28, 2010

Looks to me like the later H/M cultivator (used lift-all cylinders next to the engine). You have the correct hand lift levers for a B/BN (everything above your fabric straps). Looks like you may have a correct BN rear section, which is good because that is the part that is unique to the BN.

gene bender · Apr 28, 2010

Not bieng a smart A++ You have the cult for a C,SC this cult did not fit a N or M it is for the C,SC series and is not fitted for the B series. You can make it work on the B. But you will need to drill new holes to mount. Now to lift and lower you will have to weld two pieces to the lever assy you now have as there is no way what you have now will work it just wont hook up. I have only been around these cults for 60 pluss yrs and you have a C series cult not made for the Bs or Hs and Ms.

gene bender · Apr 28, 2010

Boy are you out of touch the frames for the cults on the A and B,BN are the same whether hand lift is used or exhaust lift. Stop giving bad info when you dont know what you are looking at with the pics. That cult is for a C series only does not fit H or M. What is "feet".

Jim Becker · Apr 29, 2010

Gene,
Get out your copy of Guy Fay's Data Book and look closely at the picture on the front cover. It is a picture of an H with a cultivator identical to this one. It is not a C cultivator.

LMack · Apr 29, 2010

Sorry to differ with you Gene, but I have worked with a C, SC, 200, and a 240. I know what cultivators fit those. I never worked with a B, but you are dead wrong if you think that you can mount A cultivators on a B or BN. If you follow my string, you will see that I modified my post. Those cults pictured were never meant to fit a C series. Refer to the pictures in Updikes book and you will see that those particular cultivators were used on H and M and I assumed a modifed version on the B. Careful who you take to task. We called the final sweep mounts "feet". Somewhere in my records I have a picture of a fully restored "B" with the front mounted cultivators in place. I will dig it out and post it for all to see. Tks.

LMack · Apr 29, 2010

OK I will admit when I am wrong. The frames shown were never meant for the B. You are correct on the arrangement of the B being very similar to the A. However the frames shown were never meant to be used on a C series.

jeepdude · Apr 30, 2010

Thanks for all the feedback. I called the original owner and he is looking for some more parts. He assures me it was working system on a bn. It is suppose to hook up with the stearing some how. I am new to all this, all your feedback is appreciated.

jeepdude · Apr 30, 2010

(quoted from post at 17:55:33 04/28/10) Not bieng a smart A++ You have the cult for a C,SC this cult did not fit a N or M it is for the C,SC series and is not fitted for the B series. You can make it work on the B. But you will need to drill new holes to mount. Now to lift and lower you will have to weld two pieces to the lever assy you now have as there is no way what you have now will work it just wont hook up. I have only been around these cults for 60 pluss yrs and you have a C series cult not made for the Bs or Hs and Ms.

It does look like they have drilled some more holes to mount it. This thing seems massive for my bn. All I wanted was a basic hand lift cult. I guess I got more than I bargened for.

gene bender · Apr 30, 2010

You arent the first to get something that was missed represented. I have some cults for the B,BN and you could make that one work by woeding an arm on the lift system you have so it would push the lifting assy on the cult. It would woek backward but it could work

jeepdude · Apr 30, 2010

(quoted from post at 11:40:13 04/28/10) The frames or front gangs appear to be configured for an exhaust lift which you do not have. It would be mounted on the left side at the very front. You need to configure for a strict hand lift. There should be a rod from the hand lift to the front rock shaft to lift the gangs. You have the front portion of the rod. The part that is missing would slip over your front rod and connect to the rock shaft from the hand lift with a pin through the adjustment holes. There should be one for each side.
You also need the tool bars for holding cultivator sweeps, hiller disk etc. I don't see those. I have a set if you need them. I do not have the "feet". I can get you pictures if you need them.

Pictures would be great

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