Does any one here know if there's a way to plumb in hydraulic lines for planter lift assist wheels which would flow oil to the lift assists while just the three point lever is activated to lift the planter? In other words, three point and lift assists operate simultaneously, both up and down, using oil flow from just the three point hitch system, and not tying up one of the remote hydraulic circuits. Clear as mud??!! Schematic in IH service manual shows a port in the casting/body containing the unloading valve and system relief valve for the three point system where plugs can be interchanged to allow or not allow oil flow to an open center auxiliary valve for simultaneous lift. Is this what I need to be looking for and dealing with? This is on page 14-51 of Chassis Service Manual GSS-1431-1 for any IH mechanics that have this manual. I'm trying to get this figured out and do the work on my own, and any advice and help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!! :wink:

Mornin' Scott,

Yeah, swap out that plug and it will marry the remotes to the hitch.

Planter should already have the plumbing for the markers?

Allan

Hey Allan,

Thanks for the reply. I posted the same question on the Red Power board several weeks ago, and the only reply I received over there was that it couldn't be done. It's nice to know I'm at least on the right track, and am not a complete idiot.

Now can you tell me where that valve body and plug are located? Is it something accessible on the outside of the tractor, or do I have to get into the rear end?

As for the plumbing for the markers, I've upgraded planters and haven't seen what I've bought yet. Will have it here in a couple of weeks and will know more then.

I'll probably give you a call, or maybe even run over and see you one of these days. I'd like more info on just how this set up is going to work, and you've been the only one to offer any real knowledge on the particulars.

Thanks again, and I'll be talkin to ya!! :wink:

Scott

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Sorry man, it's not like we're withholding information from you or something... What you're trying to do is just not very common.

I'd have to guess that if anybody's running a rig like that these days, it's with a newer tractor that probably has some computerized way to link a hydraulic remote with the 3pt so they lift simultaneously.

to add to kirsh"s comment:
the guys that know about this are either not online, busy doing their own work (farmers or mechanics), or dead. They don"t quite fit the demographics of an internet discussion user. You are blessed having a manual most people never buy, and probably don"t need to buy for their purposes. There"s a lot of lost information over the years, and it seems like more information was lost on 66, 86 series and newer IH than the antique stuff at the merger. I would propose that it was intentional to boost sales of new CIH models.

You have the basic information, there"s probably a more detailed bulletin or planter instruction sheet that would help you, but they are rare or current dealers" employees do not know how to access them. Some modifications were aftermarket and not IH. hopefully someone can help you more if you need it.

sometimes in the same boat as you
karl f

(quoted from post at 07:32:14 03/30/10) Sorry man, it's not like we're withholding information from you or something... What you're trying to do is just not very common.

I'd have to guess that if anybody's running a rig like that these days, it's with a newer tractor that probably has some computerized way to link a hydraulic remote with the 3pt so they lift simultaneously.

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Hey bud, I didn't mean to come across as pointing a finger or anything, and I apologize for the fact that I did. There are a lot of great, helpful people on all of these boards, and you're among them. And you are absolutely correct about the newer tractors vs. mine, which is 34 years old. Most rigs like that today don't even require lift assists on three point mounted implements because the tractors are so much heavier, and have so much more lifting capacity. This happens to be the newest tractor I currently own, and may be the newest I ever own. It's what I can very comfortably afford, it's been paid for for years, and I get a certain pride and satisfaction from owning, maintaining, and operating older tractors and equipment. I've spent a lot of hours in the newer stuff too, and they're real nice to run, but for me, at the end of the day, if it got the work done, a tractor's a tractor.

I actually was considering taking the lift assists off of my new-to-me planter. But a good friend who's in the farm equipment business convinced me to leave them on, because they are very good ones. The discussion began with me asking him what I could get for them, and him telling me that lift assists have no after market value any more, because the newer tractors are so much heavier, and have so much more lift capacity. He's also the one who clued me into this simultaneous lifting business. He said it's real easy if the three point lift cylinders are external on the tractor. If the cylinder(s) are internal, perhaps a little more challenging, but still doable. I'd never even heard of it before, so I was and am intrigued by the idea. They say if you have a sequencing valve on your planter markers, they can be tied into the system too. Everything up and down together at the same time, all operated by the one lever. Seems pretty cool to me, but then I'm not a real high tech kind of guy, so I'm pretty easy to impress!!

Again. I apologize for my picking and finger pointing. From now on I'll just address all of my 66 series questions to my old neighbor Allan, who shares my interest in the older tractors, and has a really good working knowledge of them.

See ya!!! :wink: