minnesota to up gas to E15 then E20 wish it was e50

that will pull the price per gallon down. just like going in iowa the plus or E10 is cheeper.well e85 here is running at 2.04 a gall at the tax pump. unleaded e10 was 2.73 dosent take a rocket sci to figure out that im gonna run the e 85. i live in minnesota and i have old new 2 and 4 cycle engines none have been harmed by the e10 or by blending or using strait e85. a dont even want to here from that guy who says you chime in here every few months bla bla bla. i say keep my energy dollars away from them people who where towels on there heads. I think there the ones who want to kill us. ya lets keep sending bilions of dollars to people who want us dead. I will use alcohol even if it cost more i wanna support the people who feed us. It does not take more energy to make the stuff. so it is self substainable. but all you miss informed people will cry out alcohol as bad. well ive been using it for 15 years now no fuel realated probs. by thr way i run it in my h"s m"s and in the summer my A. there is no adjustment jet to let more fuel in.. All the others i just adjust timing and give it more fuel.
 
Lots around here are up to 10%. Spent 1.5 weeks in another state this past summer that advertized 100 % gas at a lot of stations. I check my gas use at every fill up all the time and was suprised I constantly got between 1 and 2 miles per gallon better in the truck on that gas
 
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they're they are They're having a hell of a time.
their people who have things Look at their monkeys.
there something far away I think I left it over there.

They are talking about going to mandatory E15 nationwide. Listen to AgriTalk and you will hear the whole agenda. Sen Grassley is a huge proponent.

E85 is decent, but not better than gas. I don't run it in my work truck bc I hate going to the gas station all the time. Figure out the lack of milage vs price and it is a wash.

That is all I have on the big E. See you in three pages :D
 
We have a truck stop that just put in new pumps and you can buy four different mixes up to E-85, just pick the right button.
 
Your income taxes are paying the difference on the price of the gas. It actually costs more per gallon for the mix.
 

Ethanol takes more diesel to make it than you get back with ethanol...ever since ethanol started being mandatory blended with gasoline diesel has been more expensive than gasoline.

And Diesel prices are pretty much subsidized in everything we purchase/consume!
 
That statment is not true about "more energy to produce than the energy returned".

When Cornell put out that study they stated untrue facts.

Read my figures by clicking on the link below to a previous chat about this subject. Prove my figures wrong.

I had an email conversation with Dr Pimentol{sp} of Cornell. He never proved me wrong and in their study they added in the cost of production of the grain and then charged out the cost of the grain to the ethanol plant. Double expense on the grain.
Look at my figures.
 
OK...you've stated your opinion. Now would you care to back it up with facts? I fully agree with you that exporting our dollars to terrorists is not a good idea. BUT....when looking at it from a pure dollars and cents issue, I have less money in my pocket when I run e-85. I truely wish that someone, somewhere would publish an unbiased report as to where (what price per bushel and what price per gallon) ethanol would stand on its own and be economically viable. Gary, I want to compliment you on your pretty much unbiased comments on this subject over the years. Even though you have a dog in the fight, it really doesnt show up in your comments. I would love to sit down over a cup of coffee and pick your brain on this.
 
I will state my opionion as an Iowan that raises corn and pays a lot of state taxes. The taxpayer funded subsidies should go away, and get paid back to the taxpayers once the infrastructure is installed. My Iowa income taxes pay to subsidise Ethanol so that out of state people can buy cheaper fuel. I get NO benefit from that. I drive a Diesel, and believe that we should migrate to Diesel with a blend of bio to reduce emissions.
 
(quoted from post at 07:29:03 03/08/10) I will state my opionion as an Iowan that raises corn and pays a lot of state taxes. The taxpayer funded subsidies should go away, and get paid back to the taxpayers once the infrastructure is installed. My Iowa income taxes pay to subsidise Ethanol so that out of state people can buy cheaper fuel. I get NO benefit from that. I drive a Diesel, and believe that we should migrate to Diesel with a blend of bio to reduce emissions.

Talk to you Senate/House representative. They have allowed the blend incentives to expire so big oil has no reason to add bio to their fuel.

www.agritalk.com I listen online at www.1360wlbk.com from 10-11 am.
 
My Iowa income tax subsidizes Ethanol so it is 10 cents cheaper than straight gas. Our state is broke and we are paying people to buy Ethanol. It makes me angry.
 
Big oil.

We've gotta bribe big oil with taxpayer dollars to get them to use ethanol. Otherwise they have no reason to put ethanol in the fuel.

Ethanol is gallon-for-gallon more expensive than gasoline. Without the government bribes, they'd lose money putting ethanol in the gas.
 
(quoted from post at 14:47:37 03/08/10) Big oil.

We've gotta bribe big oil with taxpayer dollars to get them to use ethanol. Otherwise they have no reason to put ethanol in the fuel.

Ethanol is gallon-for-gallon more expensive than gasoline. Without the government bribes, they'd lose money putting ethanol in the gas.

Don't forget, big oil gets all of the biodiesel subsidy NOT the biddiesel mfgs.
 
(quoted from post at 14:47:37 03/08/10) Big oil.

We've gotta bribe big oil with taxpayer dollars to get them to use ethanol. Otherwise they have no reason to put ethanol in the fuel.

Ethanol is gallon-for-gallon more expensive than gasoline. Without the government bribes, they'd lose money putting ethanol in the gas.
I don't think this is quite the way it is, Big oil has no choice but to add ethanol to auto fuel it is required by the EPA/Federal law and in the state of MN by MN law, in MN the subsidies go to the ethanol mgf because they can't make the crap cheap enough to compete with gasoline and it take 9 gals of fuel to make 10 gals of ethanol and the pollution and waste of ground water is out of this world if any other mfg wasted and polluted the water that way they'd hauled off in irons.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=7308
 
(quoted from post at 19:14:40 03/07/10) I will use alcohol even if it cost more but all you miss informed people will cry out alcohol as bad. well ive been using it for 15 years now.
n yourself, or in your tractor? mike
 
(quoted from post at 14:47:37 03/08/10) Big oil.

We've gotta bribe big oil with taxpayer dollars to get them to use ethanol. Otherwise they have no reason to put ethanol in the fuel.
Well, what about medium oil and little oil? Do we have to bribe them same as big oil? mike
 
(quoted from post at 06:08:33 03/08/10) That statment is not true about "more energy to produce than the energy returned".

When Cornell put out that study they stated untrue facts.

Read my figures by clicking on the link below to a previous chat about this subject. Prove my figures wrong.

I had an email conversation with Dr Pimentol{sp} of Cornell. He never proved me wrong and in their study they added in the cost of production of the grain and then charged out the cost of the grain to the ethanol plant. Double expense on the grain.
Look at my figures.

You must use the full hectare amount for cooking/refining costs. Your 227 has to be refined too.
 

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