Anonymous-0
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I have a 1957 Farmall 450 with a wide front end. I would like to change it to a narrow front end can anyone tell me what would be required to do this?
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erik dekeyser
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Not a big deal just find a narrow front end and take the wide off. The narrow front bolts on real easy.Just 4 bolts.
old
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There is a lot more to it then what Erik says. You have to remove the grill and hood unhook the steering block the front of the tractor up and it is best to have help since that stuff is heavy and awkward to handle unless you have a couple chain hoists etc.
old
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Because I have been there done that and the one I worked on there was almost no way to change it out with out pulling off the grill and hood so you can pull the steering shaft out of course it also may depend on the brand of wide front. but on the tractor in the picture we found it far easier to pull the hood etc off but where going to either way for painting but still worked out to be easier in the long run
(quoted from post at 21:02:24 02/21/10) Because I have been there done that and the one I worked on there was almost no way to change it out with out pulling off the grill and hood so you can pull the steering shaft out of course it also may depend on the brand of wide front. but on the tractor in the picture we found it far easier to pull the hood etc off but where going to either way for painting but still worked out to be easier in the long run
Rich, there is absolutely NO NEED to pull out the steering shaft. ALL of the parts up inside the bolster are exactly the same for a single wheel front, dual wheel tricycle, or a wide front axle.
old
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Well as I said maybe different in some cases we did it the way I said because of the way we got the front ends. I.E. the complete steering assembly from the steering shaft down old trike front had so much slop in it you could almost turn the wheel one full turn before it did any thing
There is a lot of conversation below that I don't understand the reasons for. You just unbolt the WF, and bolt the NF to the upper bolster. Be sure you put the stop bolt in the right place. If you have a steering problem that masked with the WF (doubt it that is possible), you will find out quickly.
old
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Well that is sort of true but when you have to take care of both it is easier to work with the whole thing then it is to mess with it one part at a time.
I know on an Oliver I will NEVER ever swap one like your saying again. Taking off the narrow front os a piece of cake but putting a wide on that is a night mare so that is also why I say what I do it is just plain easier to work with the complete front end instead of that heavy part under the belly of the tractor. Took 3 or 4 people to do the swap on that Oliver of mine
I know on an Oliver I will NEVER ever swap one like your saying again. Taking off the narrow front os a piece of cake but putting a wide on that is a night mare so that is also why I say what I do it is just plain easier to work with the complete front end instead of that heavy part under the belly of the tractor. Took 3 or 4 people to do the swap on that Oliver of mine
erik dekeyser
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There is nothing to it i have done it at least 8 or 10 times. the wide front is heavy but if you support it properly no problem. As for the narrow front thats easy. As a matter of fact im just about ready to put a wide front on my 656 and take of the narrow. I will use a fork lift to put on the wide front.
old
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Ya nice if you have a fork lift but most people do not and I know I don't. All I'm saying is it is not a one man job with out a lot of tools to do the lifting for you
Anonymous-0
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Thanks everyone for your replies. I will first see if I can find a narrow front end and give it a try.
I don't know what brand my wide front end is, would anyone have an idea what it might be worth, and what a narrow front end would be worth?
Thanks again.
I don't know what brand my wide front end is, would anyone have an idea what it might be worth, and what a narrow front end would be worth?
Thanks again.
erik dekeyser
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A good wide front should be worth quite a bit. I would think 500 to 750 depends on if you have to steel the hubs off it for the narrow front. It shouldnt be hard to find a narrow front there were more of them than the wide. You should get one for some where between 100 and 350 i picked one up for 25 dollars at a sale before. Thats just the pedestal no hubs.Erik
Matt Weltz
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Where are you at? I will have a NF pedestal coming off of my 400 sometime soon hopefully!
Look back on page 8 and 10 right now this board. May be a page on down by the time you look. Anyway look under posts 53 super m front end made by tim daughtery. In it the post made by glenster shows a early type IH wide front. In the other post on page 10 is the type IH wide front that would be original to a 450. Picture by wardner. If not like those its a aftermarket.
If you have the IH hubs and parts to put the wide front hubs on the narrow front, you could find a post and spindle for a little more than junk price in some parts of the country. Front like wardner pictured is worth more than the other. Saw them sell from $450 to $1000, the other type from $150 to $550 with some outside those ranges a rew times.
If you can get the attaching bolts for the narrow front, the ones you have on the steering arm won't work.
If you have the IH hubs and parts to put the wide front hubs on the narrow front, you could find a post and spindle for a little more than junk price in some parts of the country. Front like wardner pictured is worth more than the other. Saw them sell from $450 to $1000, the other type from $150 to $550 with some outside those ranges a rew times.
If you can get the attaching bolts for the narrow front, the ones you have on the steering arm won't work.
And by the way, this can be a one person job. Sure it might be easier with more people, but I swapped from a tricylce to a wide front on my 560 by myself and have had the wide front, out from under it to make modifications several times by myself and always put it back with no problems. I just use a couple jacks to support the front axle and once all the bolts are out and the tractor is blocked up, I can just roll it out from under there, do what I need to do and then roll it back, I even have a heavy steering cylinder attached to my wide front and have no trouble.
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