Farmall 140 - Correct Hood Decal ??

Farmallhal · Jan 6, 2010

I have a 1966 IH 140 and the s/n tag is identified as a McCormick Farmall 140. The hood has International decals. Just wondering what would be the correct decal as the tractor had been repainted before I got it. Don't know if that is the only decal set available now or not or something of convience was used. Thanks for your comments and stay dry and warm, Hal.

Red Mist · Jan 6, 2010

Hal:

My son had a 1963 or '64 140. It had old paint, perhaps original - perhaps not, and it had International on the hood. Then, on the smaller "140" decals that went on each side of the grill, was "Farmall" in small letters just above the "140". Don't remember what was on the tag.

My 1978-79 140 has a serial number tag which reads "McCormick Farmall". It has original paint and also has "International" on the hood and the same small "Farmall" over "140" hood side decals.

I know this isn't much help, but take it for whatever it's worth to you.

mike

TheDurk · Jan 6, 2010

I have a factory original paint (yellow) International 1966 140. My father bought it new at an International dealer and it says International on the original title. The s/n tag says McCormick Farmall 140 just like the OP and Red Mist but there is only INTERNATIONAL on the hood and a plain 140 on the rad housing. My belief is they were all born the same, with the same sequential tags--and only became Farmall or International as they received final paint and decals depending on specific dealer and color desired (there were a lot of yellow 140's for highway dept.'s at the time).

It sounds as though International went on the hood in either case, and the Farmall, if used, went only with the 140 on the rad.

erik dekeyser · Jan 6, 2010

The early 140 12 volt tractors had a Farmall decal on the hood. I have a 1967 with the original decals and it does say Farmall but i dont know if those decals are still availible .When i repaint one i always buy the International decals. Erik..

TheDurk · Jan 6, 2010

(quoted from post at 15:41:08 01/06/10) The early 140 12 volt tractors had a Farmall decal on the hood. I have a 1967 with the original decals and it does say Farmall but i dont know if those decals are still availible .When i repaint one i always buy the International decals. Erik..

and unless you know the history of the tractor, or an existing Farmall decal is for sure original--I don't think you can be sure if it is really a Farmall or International anyway. The tags all say McCormick Farmall 140, as far as I know (at least around 1966). So I don't see how the correct police could catch you.

Of course, if your name is Farmall Hal, you may prefer that it actually be a Farmall. I just don't think you can be sure if it is not original paint/decals.

erik dekeyser · Jan 6, 2010

Well im not sure when they changed to International but i have a operators manual printed in 1966 and the Tractor picture on the front says Farmall.

Farmallhal · Jan 6, 2010

Thanks for all the responses and from what I gathered the International is probably correct for my tractor. It was an original state highway mowing tractor with a Woods belly mower. The tractor and mower still have the state highway department equipment ID tags affixed to them. There are traces of yellow paint in places so I believe the original factory color was indeed yellow. I did check all of the RPRU showbooks I have for the past 10 years or so and saw them identified in both manners. I also checked a Maple Hunter decal catalog and see they offer decal sets in both International and Farmall for the 140. Since this is just a farm use clean up mowing tractor it will remain "correct" as an International for the foreseeable future. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and comments as they were much appreciated, Hal. P.S. It is certainly a great mowing tractor for use out into our extended yard.

Farmallhal · Jan 6, 2010

Erik, Thanks for your posts and comments and I posted some later information which might play into this issue. FYI, I did notice in a Maple Hunter catalog that decal sets are available in both International and Farmall for the 140. I take it the International name was used for commercial or industrial use and Farmall was for an ag use tractor. Thanks again, Hal.

TheDurk · Jan 6, 2010

(quoted from post at 18:22:00 01/06/10) Well im not sure when they changed to International but i have a operators manual printed in 1966 and the Tractor picture on the front says Farmall.

I am not sure either; but my point was that you cannot tell if one of these 140's left the factory as a Farmall or International once it has been re-painted and re-decaled. So you can do it as either one.

I assume that is the 2nd manual (12V genny) and I am pretty sure they kept printing that one unchanged from the first 12V in 1963 (s/n 26801) until the third and last edition came out for the 140's with alternator for s/n 62741 and up in 1976. That one has pictures of a Farmall 140 with Farmall on the rad and International on the hood.

I will defer to the authority of the late Hugh McKay who puts the death of the Farmall hood decal in 1968. This is consistent with all the data I have seen.

http://ytforums.ytmag.com/viewtopic.php?t=284963

So it appears the Farmall hood decal (on a Farmall, obviously) is appropriate from s/n 23300 in 1963 (when they stopped using metal badges and went to the modern one-piece grill) to sometime in 1968--if you believe Hugh, and I do. After 1968, always International on the hood.

Farmallhal · Jan 6, 2010

Durk, thanks for your posts and continueing dialog and especially for bringing Hugh back into this. I know he would have had the answer to this one. I don't have a clue what the original decal was in this case but with the underlying paint being yellow along with the highway dept. ID tags I feel it was an International since the original purchaser was a state highway department. Do you concur with that assessment? As far as correct police go on this tractor that is not much of an issue as it would be me, the wife and our border collie who is very agreeable. Thanks again for your participation in this thread, Hal.

TheDurk · Jan 6, 2010

Absolutely--it sounds like you have a twin of mine. My old man sorta convinced the IH dealer to 'steal' that tractor from a road dept. order so we could get it before the NJ sales tax first went into effect on August 1, 1966. We brought it home July 31. (s/n 33445 J). A truly valiant and faithful machine.

It is my understanding that International was certainly an Ag use trademark--all the big red iron 4-digit tractors were sold as International. The Farmall line in general concentrated on the row-crop segment, with adjustable axles, etc. However, the late International 140 and Farmall 140 had no difference in construction unlike the industrial models seen in other model series. I don't think my IH dealer sold anything badged as Farmall--at least not from the 1960's on.

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