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Larry Hardesty

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I would like to find a picture (or pictures) of a 2001 loader with a single hydraulic cylinder. I have a 2001 loader on a Farmall 340. Originally the loader was a trip bucket and someone put a single cylinder on it, but incorrectly. At the wrong angle, the bucket puts pressure on the hydraulic piston rod and will bend it and/or the bucket. I want to see how to mount the cylinder correctly.

Thanks in Advance.

Larry Hardesty
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Larry you need to move the bucket forward, most of those buckets were drilled for both mountings. Look on the side to see if you can unbolt the bearings and move them to the rear.
 
Hi Larry...I don't know about the 2001 loader, but I am a new Farmall 340 owner and wondered if I could ask you a few questions by Email about yours. Last owner did a few things that leave me "scratching my head" to try and understand. For instance, he put clutch and brake pedals on from a different modael Farmall. Why?? Were the orginal pedals hard to operate or something?
Pete
 
Pete, Sure, I will answer what I can. My e-mail is [email protected]

I do not know why a prevous owner would replace the brake and clutch pedals. Now I once had a Farmall 400 and the clutch had been used to much it had considerable flop in it. I think I eventually drilled it out and put a bushing in it. Maybe the clutch and brake pedals had the same problem with your 340. I enjoy the tractor. It makes a decent acreage tractor with enough horses to do what I want (loader, blade, brush hog, etc.). A few parts are hard to find, but generally the engine is a bored out Super C block. Larry
 
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I looked and the loader arms are connected into the back brackets. Therefore, the bucket is as far out as it will go. You had the right idea, but no accounting for "field" modifications. I think whomever did it did not put the bracket for the top of the hydraulic cylinder far enough out so the bottom of the hydraulic cylinder does not come up against the bracing between the two arms when the bucket is at the right angle. It can put stress on the piston rod and the bucket and bend one or both. Looks like I need to do some cutting and welding.

Thanks

Larry
 
This is mine, I'm not saying that's completely correct though since I put the brackets on the bucket myself. But it works. The lower bracket where the cylinder attaches has to stick out about 6 inches so the top of the bucket doesn't hit the rod or top mount when it's tipped all the way up. It took a little trial and error to get the placement right.

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Tom, Thanks, Do you have a shot from the front? I do not have original cylinder and I think the one I have needs to be repositioned.

Larry Hardesty
 
Larry,

Here"s an image I found several years ago on the internet of a 2001 loader. I don"t know anything about it, but maybe it might help. I also have an IH loader brochure, and I will follow-up with some photos from it of the 2001 loader. I"d be very interested in what you end up doing, as I will be trying to retrofit a new non-IH bucket to an IH 1701 loader on my 340U, and will have a similar challenge.
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Paul, Thanks, I have the loader manual, It does not show the single cylinder well. However, from your pictures it looks like the base of the hydraulic cylinder rotates on a large pin. Don't know if that hydraulic cylinder is specific to IH or standard stock, but I do not recall seeing one like it in, for example, TSC. I probably will end up redoing the holder of my current single hydraulic cylinder so the top is further forward. Thanks much. A big help

Larry
 
Larry, it's called a "trunnion" style cylinder. You won't find them at a "big box" store like TSC, as they only carry the basics.

That particular cylinder is special-made for IH. You probably can't get it as a replacement part, though. surpluscenter.com has a few trunnion style cylinders but they don't look like they'd work. The only one they have with the trunnion on the right end only has a 9" stroke.
 
I suppose I could put two hydraulic cylinders on the arms like a 2000. I don't know if that would slow down the operation of the bucket or not.

Larry
 
(quoted from post at 22:33:22 12/28/09) Paul, Thanks, I have the loader manual, It does not show the single cylinder well. However, from your pictures it looks like the base of the hydraulic cylinder rotates on a large pin. Don't know if that hydraulic cylinder is specific to IH or standard stock, but I do not recall seeing one like it in, for example, TSC. I probably will end up redoing the holder of my current single hydraulic cylinder so the top is further forward. Thanks much. A big help

Larry
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Hi Larry

I checked my manual, and as far as I can tell, the single bucket cylinder on both the IH 2001 and 1701 loaders are the same, or at least they are both listed as 3 1/2 x 16 inches. My 1701 is currently in pieces, so i will be glad to take photos of the cylinder if that helps. I had my cylinder rebuilt for about $100. Here's an image of one of the two brackets that the cylinder body attaches to.

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Paul, Thanks, I assume this is the bracket that fastens to the crossbeam between the two arms and the hydraulic cylinder pivots on it. What I have now is a "field" modification on which is fastened single cylinder. Sounds like from others the original cylinder is no longer available either from IH or as an aftermarket. I will have to make some further adjustments.

Thanks

Larry
 
(quoted from post at 09:57:48 12/29/09) Paul, Thanks, I assume this is the bracket that fastens to the crossbeam between the two arms and the hydraulic cylinder pivots on it. What I have now is a "field" modification on which is fastened single cylinder. Sounds like from others the original cylinder is no longer available either from IH or as an aftermarket. I will have to make some further adjustments.

Thanks

Larry
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The IH cylinder has two "nubs" on it's bottom end upon which it pivots. As the bucket dumps the angle of the cylinder adjusts accordingly. It sounds like the the single cylinder of your loader is not of that design? Perhaps you can find another IH cylinder . . . sounds like the 2001 and 1701 cylinders are the same at least. Have you tried JP Tractor? I'll be happy to send images if that would help.

My IH loader brochure lists the dual cylinders for the 2000 loader as 2.5 x 23 inches, and as I mentioned before, the single IH cylinder is 3.5 x 16 inches. The combined volume of the dual cylinders is 50% more than the single, so it would dump 50% slower. That may not make much of a difference. This is a photo of the bucket I bought to retrofit to my 1701 loader. As you can see, it wouldn't be difficult to set it up for the dual dump cylinders.

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Larry, which hydraulic pump does your 340 have? Mine has only the 9 gpm camshaft driven pump, and I wonder if it will be fast enough to run the loader. I know there were internal pump options of 12 and 17 gpm.

It is not uncommon to see single vertical bucket cylinders on Case loaders, perhaps there may be junkyard cylinders available that won't require excessive modifications.
 
(quoted from post at 15:41:21 12/28/09) This is mine, I'm not saying that's completely correct though since I put the brackets on the bucket myself. But it works. The lower bracket where the cylinder attaches has to stick out about 6 inches so the top of the bucket doesn't hit the rod or top mount when it's tipped all the way up. It took a little trial and error to get the placement right.

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Tom

I don't want to hijack Larry's thread, but I'd really like to see a photo of the connection of the dump cylinder to your bucket. I assume you retrofitted your bucket from another source, as I plan to do. I've been wondering how I'll figure out how to connect the cylinder. Did you add the original IH bucket attachment bracket onto your bucket? I don't recall where I found this photo, but I was planning to attempt something like it shows. Is this what you did?

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Yes, I wondered too if my hydraulics might be too slow for dual hydraulics like on a 2000 versus a single on a 2001. Do you (or anybody) else have an idea to tell the gpm capacity of a 340 hydraulic system?

Larry Hardesty
 
I have this 2001 IH loader for sale. What area of the loader do you need pictures? If you need pictures of a part, etc, I will take pictures as soon as the snow gets off of it. Hope this helps.
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(quoted from post at 17:17:41 12/29/09) Yes, I wondered too if my hydraulics might be too slow for dual hydraulics like on a 2000 versus a single on a 2001. Do you (or anybody) else have an idea to tell the gpm capacity of a 340 hydraulic system?

Larry Hardesty
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Larry

This is a "before restoration" of my 340U. If yours has an externally visible, camshaft driven hydraulic pump (aluminum colored pump below distributor and governor) like this, with the two tubes running from it, it is 9 gpm. If not, it has an internal pump, and is either 12 or 17 gpm. You can also tell from any letter suffix on the serial number, but I'll have to look that up.

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I looked and I have the 9 gpm external pump. Not recommended for a 2000 loader. Looks like I need to refabricate how the single cylinder (not IH) is now mounted on the loader. Thanks to everyone for the help.

Larry Hardesty
 
Thanks, I think I have the pictures I need now. I see you got the 2001 mounted on a Ford. Just shows what one can do if wants to do some fabrication, etc.

Larry Hardesty
 
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