A model farball

Glen Kitchin · Dec 7, 2009

Do all A to H model farmall"s have a live PTO? Which model"s have the pipe that hold"s the steering wheel shaft? Thank"s Glen

ScottyHOMeY · Dec 7, 2009

No, most of them do not have a live PTO.

And it depends on the shape of the "pipe". If the seat is to the right of center, and the pipe is an inverted L, so that the wheel is offset to be in front of the operator, then it's a Cub, or one of the variants of the A or B. If the seat is centered and the "pipe" is straight and vertical, and has things like light bars and switch brackets and throttles mounted to it, then it's an H or M of some sort. If it's not a pipe at all but a casting sitting on top of the electrical panel, it's a C or SuperC.

rustyfarmall · Dec 7, 2009

Actually, none of the letter series IH tractors have live or independent PTO.

Dave H (MI) · Dec 7, 2009

Just a 'cause I'm curious....

...what exactly do I call that PTO on my MTA that runs when the clutch is depressed? I always called it independent PTO and it IS an M. Am I wrong?

Nebraska Kirk · Dec 7, 2009

Your Super MTA was the first production Farmall to have "live" or independent PTO, and no, it is NOT an M. Sure the Super MTA is the same basic design of the M but because of the improvements and changes made, larger engine, IPTO, TA, live hydraulics, it is no longer an M, nor is it an MTA, it is a Super MTA.

IH fan · Dec 7, 2009

(quoted from post at 22:47:43 12/07/09)
Your Super MTA was the first production Farmall to have "live" or independent PTO, and no, it is NOT an M. Sure the Super MTA is the same basic design of the M but because of the improvements and changes made, larger engine, IPTO, TA, live hydraulics, it is no longer an M, nor is it an MTA, it is a Super MTA.

Is not the "Super MTA" still considered a "letter series"?

mkirsch · Dec 8, 2009

(quoted from post at 22:03:58 12/07/09)
Is not the "Super MTA" still considered a "letter series"?

Nope, it's considered part of the "Super" series.

Letter series is A, B, BN, C, H, and M. Non-super.

ScottyHOMeY · Dec 8, 2009

Yep. M is is no longer a letter, just like Pluto in so longer a planet.

Think math, subsets. SHs, SMs, MDs, SMDs, SMTAs are letter series in my book by virtue of coming after the F-series and before the numbered tractors.

Dave H (MI) · Dec 8, 2009

Well put, Scotty!!! Realistically, you would be being obtuse if you tried to exclude the Supers from the letter series. Guy Fay includes all the Supers in his book on letter series Farmalls. Wendel structures his history of IH to make the Supers merely the next evolution of their earlier letter series counterparts. And let me get this straight...am I actually getting criticized for abbreviating "SMTA" to "MTA"? It's a letter series tractor either way. Get over it.

ScottyHOMeY · Dec 8, 2009

Yep. It struck me as kinda like sayin the Hydros aren't in the number series.

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