Question on sleeve "O" rings

Tom Fleming · Dec 5, 2009

I am in the process of rebuilding a C-113 engine, and had a question about the "O" rings.

I usually use silicone plumber's grease to lubricate "O" rings in engines for installation. I would think that the sleeve "O" rings would be perfect candidates for using the slicone grease. However, I know that certain rubber "O" rings are not compatable with some lubricating greases.

Of course the IHC manual says thick, soap mixture, which I could use.

Anyone have thoughts here? What has anyone used?

this is more of a curiosity question than a show stopper.........

Jeff Z. · Dec 5, 2009

Liquid dish soap straight out of the bottle.

jim7 · Dec 5, 2009

i recently used petroleum jelly to install my sleeves on a 1086.

BigMarvfromGa · Dec 5, 2009

Vaseline will work as mentioned.

ScottyHOMeY · Dec 5, 2009

Ivory Liquid has served me well in that application.

old · Dec 5, 2009

NO GREASE it can/will make the o-ring go bad because grease/oil does funny things to them or at least to some o-ring. Go in the house and when the wife is not looking steal her dish soap and coat the o-rings with it. Install the sleeves and sneak the soap back in the house

Tom Fleming · Dec 5, 2009

Old, I just spit my coffee out laughing!!!!!!

I appreciate the feedback guys. Like I said, I have no problems using dish soap (and I won't have to sneak it out of the kitchen!!!!!!). I just wanted to hear what other people have used.

I sorta been waiting to hear someone reply, "lard".............. :wink:

teddy52food · Dec 5, 2009

The oil from the crankcase gets to the bottom of the sleeve. The o-rings are resistant to oil. Just make sure you use the ones with the sleeve set.

old · Dec 5, 2009

That is sort of true but till they are installed oil/grease can/will make them swell. I found that out the hard way when I was doing the sleeves on an Allis C and once swelled they can not be installed

old · Dec 5, 2009

Plus if you used grease/oil or lard think about what it will make the anti-freeze look like once you get it up and running oil etc. does not look nice in the coolant LOL

rustred · Dec 5, 2009

i have used brake fluid or dish soap on diff. occasions and both work good.

jbp · Dec 5, 2009

IH used glycerin on the assembly line.

Joe

El Toro · Dec 5, 2009

Dish detergent. Make sure the block area where the sleeve seals are is clean of any dirt or rust. Hal

Tom Fleming · Dec 5, 2009

JBP, the glycerin is definately an interesting piece of info. It is water soluble. It is a chemical cousin to ethylene glycol (antifreeze), and is slippery. I would also expect that it will not break down the "O" ring or cause it to swell. it is also relatively inexpensive if not "food grade", so bulk quantities would probably be cheaper than soap..........It makes sense IHC would use that on an assembly line.

Soap is listed in the IHC manual, so we know that is good to go.

These do come in contact with both water and oil, so the vaseline route should also work.

This is a good thread so far. I like to hear what others have in their "bag of tricks". thanks everyone for the feedback so far.

pete 23 · Dec 5, 2009

When IH introduced the 300 and 400 series engines, they said to use petroleum jelly. Shortly there after they told us use engine oil. That is what my service manual shows but I understand they have since changed their minds. At John Deere they had their own soap solution and it would dry up pretty fast. I don't recall what IH said to use on the German Engines, seems to me it was engine oil, but on them engines there were different sizes of o-rings so you had to be super careful to use correct one for block involved. Most important, put sleeve in block with out any o-ring to make sure it fits in with no force required and seats to proper flange height as a preassembly check.

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