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farmall hfan
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I think this H was on Ebay a couple of weeks ago for $8500.00 and I thought wow if he can get that I will start buying everyone I can find. I let one go just up the road from him that looked just as good last year for $2500.00
A guy I know locally spent more than $10,000 on his H's restoration. He shipped it to Mark, of Mark's Tractors in Indiana. He took almost a year on it. Took it apart down to the bolt and replaced everything. Then smoothed every part and painted it up super nice. It's the best looking H... heck, the best looking tractor, I've ever seen! If he were to sell it, he'd never get close to that out of it. And he knows it.
That guy asking $9,000 is smoking the peyote. I think he's trying to recover all his parts and labor from the restoration, plus an appreciation value. He'll never get it. I say $3000-$4000 max.
That guy asking $9,000 is smoking the peyote. I think he's trying to recover all his parts and labor from the restoration, plus an appreciation value. He'll never get it. I say $3000-$4000 max.
Zach Bouchard
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I think your right, i think i saw it on there too. He must not realize you never get out of them what you put in unless you have some rare model, and a farmall h, though nice and i love them, are about as common as they get.
ScottyHOMeY
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Everybody seems to be on the mark.
If it is truly one of those restorations that will send the correct police scooting home with their tails between their legs, then, yes, the price is about right or probably/possibly even low, but only if there's a buyer out there who wants that tractor in that condition.
It's also possible that somebody got into this to make money without doing their research and didn't know that the cost of a good overhaul and paint, added to the original cost of the machine, will far exceed its value as a working tractor which, in the absence of some collectible value, is about all most people will pay for it.
Third possibility is the Ol' Rog factor. The wife said he had to get rid of some tractors. So he tried. "Geeze, Honey, there weren't any bites on Ebay, so I'm gonna try a board where I know there's a bunch of tractor nuts. Surely one of them will buy it." It is to laugh and snicker.
If it is truly one of those restorations that will send the correct police scooting home with their tails between their legs, then, yes, the price is about right or probably/possibly even low, but only if there's a buyer out there who wants that tractor in that condition.
It's also possible that somebody got into this to make money without doing their research and didn't know that the cost of a good overhaul and paint, added to the original cost of the machine, will far exceed its value as a working tractor which, in the absence of some collectible value, is about all most people will pay for it.
Third possibility is the Ol' Rog factor. The wife said he had to get rid of some tractors. So he tried. "Geeze, Honey, there weren't any bites on Ebay, so I'm gonna try a board where I know there's a bunch of tractor nuts. Surely one of them will buy it." It is to laugh and snicker.
Farmallhal
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Mike, Since you're in California I'm glad you got to see one of Mark's restored tractors. He does do a great restoration and his paint is awesome. I've seen several tractors he's restored and without exception they are just beautiful. At the Mansfield, Ohio RPRU in 2006 he had the nicest Super C I've ever seen.
Mark used to sell some mufflers which had a very high heat coating applied by the Jet Hot Co. I think they may be out in California somewhere and I'm sure you would be very pleased with that on your H. They also use the process on exhaust headers for autos and race cars. I have one from Mark on my M which really looks sharp. You can probably locate them by doing a google search on the web if interested in checking it out. I believe you send them your muffler and that is the one you get back. Keep us posted on your H restoration as it is very interesting to follow your progress, Hal.
Mark used to sell some mufflers which had a very high heat coating applied by the Jet Hot Co. I think they may be out in California somewhere and I'm sure you would be very pleased with that on your H. They also use the process on exhaust headers for autos and race cars. I have one from Mark on my M which really looks sharp. You can probably locate them by doing a google search on the web if interested in checking it out. I believe you send them your muffler and that is the one you get back. Keep us posted on your H restoration as it is very interesting to follow your progress, Hal.
glennster
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i dont think thats a bad price at all if its gone thru like he said. the m i did here at the shop for a customer has about 12k in it. if you keep the reciepts, it adds up fast. here is an h for sale locally by a customer. we did the paint work on the sheet metal for him. he did the paint work on the main body of the tractor. everything is new on this tractor. it is one nice h. he has over 17k in this one. restoration projects can get out of hand, real fast. whatever you figure it will cost, just about triple the price. here is a link to the h on craigslist
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If I had the money, I'm pretty sure I would not want one that was [u:06c68d0f2c]better[/u:06c68d0f2c] than a new one. Most of these are painted part by part and carefully assembled. A new tractor is not done that way, why do a restoration that way? To my way of thinking, that's a custom job, not a restoration. The "correct police" should take that into consideration.
John M
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I am almost embarrased to say I dont live too far from that tractor. I dont know ole Johnny personally, but depending on who restored it around here, it could easily have that much in it.
heavy hauler too
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He didnt even get a stainless mufler!! Ha.
I too took every bolt out of one of my H tractors, put in all new bearings, seals, gaskets, several new trans gears, many new to me used gears, pro paint job on hood and tank, new rear tires and rims. With all that said, it is no way "all new or better than new". Only new once, and that was in 1952. Can I recoupe , probably not.
I have about 4 - 5K in my H. I spent 5 years on it, and it was cheap theraphy. Big items were the engine parts 1K+ and a pro paint job, $900, tires were over 1K. It kept me outta the bar and/or prison!! lol!! It was one of those things, it wasn't the end result I was interested in, as the fun of doing it. Now I try to find odd aftermarket items on Ebay for it. It may end when I assume room temp.
Since I'm doing my H that way, I can tell you my personal reasoning: I want my tractor to have a certain "wow" factor for the crowd. It's going to be a show/parade tractor. So, I want it to make people really see it and appreciate it. Experts like you folks can argue that they never looked like that new. Well, it's not new. It's 65 years old. So, in my opinion it deserves better than new, because I want to get people looking at it, interested in it's history, and I want to keep it interesting for years to come for when my kids get it, and their kids, and so on.
glennster
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mike, keep track of everything you spend on your h, and also keep track of the hours you put in it. your gonna be amazed how quick the bill adds up. between just new tires and paintwork, you'll have 2k in it. add other goodies and you'll get an easy 4-5k in that h. the little allis b i am working on right now already has 3k in it, and then i find out the motor is stuck. owner said it ran good. forgot to tell me it was 5 or 6 years ago since it ran. if i dont get the motor loose, he'll wind up overhauling the motor. at that point, it will get a new clutch, then may as well crack the rear end open and go thru that too. then he will have 5k easy in an allis b. will he get anywhere near that kind of money out of it. probably not. but, his father bought the tractor new in 1940, and his dad was real proud of that tractor.
What I am having the problem with more than anything here, is the use of the words [u:4e35498cdd]restore[/u:4e35498cdd] or [u:4e35498cdd]restoration[/u:4e35498cdd], [u:4e35498cdd]not the fact you or anyone else is re-working one that way[/u:4e35498cdd]. the word "restore", by it's very meaning, is to make it like it was when new. These tractors, cars or whatever that are done this way are a "custom re-build", not restored. This is what the "correct police" should be looking at. I can remember Dad buying 4 different new tractors when I was a kid at home, and I'd bet all of them had flaws of some kind.
Well, by that definition, I'm doing that, to a point. I'm "restoring" this tractor to distillate operating capability by adding a starter tank, replacing the sediment bowl to dual operation, and I'm replacing the manifold with one that (I hope) will have the ability to switch between the 3 heat selections, plus a heat shield, and I'm even going to get shutters back on. I'm restoring the electrical system to be how it was orginally, with cotton wrapped wires, the correct starter button, ignition switch, light switch, and voltage regulator. I've replaced numerous bolts with 'dot' bolts. No part of my tractor isn't getting attention, with an eye towards orginality. Even the decals will be correct.
So, it's going to have a very shiney paint job. It's 65 years old and still runs. In my opinion, it's earned the right to look good.
So, it's going to have a very shiney paint job. It's 65 years old and still runs. In my opinion, it's earned the right to look good.
matthew scheirer
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I am just starting the tractor hobby and have been reading these posts. This is what it is, a HOBBY! Not a business. Poor investment to "restore" one? YES! Thats why most are (to use a automobile hobby term) "Restified/restification" not quite restored by def., just fixed up to "your" specs. Some people like the mechanics of the restoration while others enjoy the finished product more, some both. Complete restorations COST SERIOUS bucks! My 11 year old asked my "Why are you even bothering? Why not just go buy a new tractor?" Truth is, we don't even need a tractor! It's about the challenge to take something old and make it look new or close to it, to appriciate an era that will never return, all the while spending time with my Son. I am fasinated with tractors, only ever being around three my whole life never going to a tractor show till in my 20's. No matter what the tractor it always helps me to remember my Grandpa puttin out his drive across the road to go to the field on that ol' JD "A". Or the hay rides behind that overheating 8N Ford, or Pap bladeing snow on that old Case.
If a man wants to spend a war pension on his restoration, by all means go ahead!!! Instead of critisizing him over it, how about "a job well done!" Don't let jealousy get in that way of your admiration of someone elses ability. Just my 2 cents. My Farmall A will never be "perfect" Heck im not even gonna straighten the sheetmetal, it earned the "character" marks and there they will stay.
If a man wants to spend a war pension on his restoration, by all means go ahead!!! Instead of critisizing him over it, how about "a job well done!" Don't let jealousy get in that way of your admiration of someone elses ability. Just my 2 cents. My Farmall A will never be "perfect" Heck im not even gonna straighten the sheetmetal, it earned the "character" marks and there they will stay.
famallhfan
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I don't think anyone here is critisizing him at all. What a person is willing and or able to spend on a tractor is totally up to them. My H was redoneby me to my satisfaction, my AC D17 also, and the A I have now is going to stay in its work cloths cultivators and all. The way I read these post is this. You can spend what you want to but in reality you may not get what you have in it back out of it. I have been on this site for years now and these are some great guys here who are willing to help with anything.
tackhammertime
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I have known of very few times in this hobby that a tractor or implemplament restored or redone is worth the time, money, and joy that you put into the project to someone else. In otherwords would you give $8000.00 or more for this tractor? It is a good looking tractor I see many like it each time I go to a tractor show or auction. No one was cutting him down on the job he done, and I for one am not jealous. The facts are the facts though and that is a lot of money for an H but if he needs to sell it I hope he finds someone that needs it. Machinery Pete may have his tractor on his next eposode.
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