VR is too tall to fit??

Mike CA · Nov 15, 2009

I got a saddle mounted VR. Tonight I was setting the sheet metal on my '44 H when I realized the VR seemed too tall. Sure enough, the hood hits the outer front corner, and prevents it from seating!

Is there any way I can lower it? The generator has to be where it is. I don't see any way to lower it at all. The tractor isn't wired yet, and the VR is coming off the genny so I can paint them. So might as well do something about it now.

Bob · Nov 15, 2009

Can you loosen the mounting screws and slip the reg right or left in the slots to a point where it will clear, even use one of the short slots at the end of the bracket?

Bob M · Nov 15, 2009

Mike - Can you take advantage of the slots in in the VR base to rotate the VR atop the generator so it's closer to the valve cover?

Otherwise I'd suggest relocating the VR away from the generator. Mount it either on a bracket beneath the gas tank (ala the Stage I super H) or on the front side of the steering stanchion (like a Stage II).

GeneMO · Nov 15, 2009

Here in the Northern part of the Ozarks, we would cut a hole in the hood. Ha Ha.

Hey, Mike, Andrew has been approved for early out, July 1, 2009 to go to college. Going on 4 years now. Can't belive how time has flown.

He is in the Mid East right now.

Take care and come to visit me in MO. sometime.

Gene

Dalex · Nov 15, 2009

Would a shorter belt swing it in much ? It looks like you are at the end of the adjustment I can't see how close it is to the valve cover.....

Jim Becker · Nov 15, 2009

(quoted from post at 23:42:56 11/15/09) Would a shorter belt swing it in much ? It looks like you are at the end of the adjustment I can't see how close it is to the valve cover.....

And is your home-made brace longer than the original?

Wardner · Nov 15, 2009

Mike,

I don't know what to say. I do recall that you
had problems before with the generator mount so
your problem is likely to be very complex.

But I think it can be fixed and you can do it.
You have thirteen days left and like the Rolling
Stones' song says, "Time is on your side". Get r
done and good luck. Please accept my
encouragement.

Pat-CT · Nov 15, 2009

Mike, What i would do is take the VR bracket and bend it to fit on he oposite side of the genny, so its close to the valve cover. That was it would still be secured by 1 screw. On the up side, the hood not fitting right would not inhbit you from the parade.

Can you get a smaller belt and suck that genny in anymore ?

Mike CA · Nov 15, 2009

I suppose I could get a smaller belt. I was avoiding that, but if I must, I must.

That isn't a home-made bracket. It's how they are sold aftermarket. I wasn't able to find a usuable orginal one.

And I'm not doing the parade. I called it off on Thursday, giving them enough time to make other arrangements. My trouble finding insurance made me decide to give them enough time in case everything fell through for me. I didn't want to leave them hanging in the last minute.

So, as for my tractor, I'm slowing down and going to start the painting process, as I'm close to being done with that phase with just a few parts left.

Tractor Carbs · Nov 16, 2009

Mike - I know it can't be that mount I sent you, It's from one California tractor to another - GOT to be right! Dan

rustyfarmall · Nov 16, 2009

Somehow or other you have a mounting bracket installed wrong. I don't think the generator is supposed to be setting quite that high, and if you have the correct brackets, installed in the correct manner, that generator is in a FIXED position and cannot be swung either closer to or farther from the engine, and IF the generator is in the correct position, there IS ONLY ONE size of belt that will work.

CNKS · Nov 16, 2009

Mike, the regulator is higher because of the "shock absorber" rubber things. The original was lower because it mounted directly to the generator. If moving the regulator in the slots doesn't work, you may be able to drill the rivets out, toss the rubber and lower the regulator.

rustyfarmall · Nov 16, 2009

(quoted from post at 08:38:01 11/16/09) Mike, the regulator is higher because of the "shock absorber" rubber things. The original was lower because it mounted directly to the generator. If moving the regulator in the slots doesn't work, you may be able to drill the rivets out, toss the rubber and lower the regulator.

I thought about that also, so I went out to the shop and looked at an original saddle mount cut out relay that is hanging on the wall, and it appears that Mikes' voltage regulator MIGHT actually be setting lower than what that cut out relay would, so maybe that voltage regulator just needs to be repositioned?

CNKS · Nov 16, 2009

I don't know, I looked at the one on my C, and it looked lower. I also have a 41 H, but can't locate the generator at the moment (how do I "lose" something that big? With me it's possible). He can reposition it, provided it doesn't hit the hood in another place. I don't remember what Mike did to that bracket when he put on the 12V generator, that probably has something to do with it.

rustyfarmall · Nov 16, 2009

(quoted from post at 09:36:50 11/16/09) I don't know, I looked at the one on my C, and it looked lower. I also have a 41 H, but can't locate the generator at the moment (how do I "lose" something that big? With me it's possible). He can reposition it, provided it doesn't hit the hood in another place. I don't remember what Mike did to that bracket when he put on the 12V generator, that probably has something to do with it.

O.K., You got me curious enough to go back out to the shop. I've got a '46 H setting with the hood off. It has a 6 volt generator with a regulator mounted in a remote location, but the generator DOES have the holes for the saddle mount relay, so I grabbed the afore-mentioned cut-out relay and sat it down on top of that generator. Found out that the old relay sits WAY down on the generator, a whole bunch lower than Mikes', and there is PLENTY of room to clear the hood. So Mike, that saddle mount regulator you have isn't going to work in that application.

CNKS · Nov 16, 2009

Yes I found mine hiding behind my summer fan. Putting a ruler beside the A terminal on the gen, distance to the bottom of reg is 5/8", from gen to corner of reg, approximately 2.5".

Brownie 450 · Nov 16, 2009

M generator mounting brackets are "offset" --maybe your bracket can be turned over to lower the gen. Don't know if I'd get involved with the rubber mounts on the reg.

John M · Nov 16, 2009

Simple fix, Take the regulator back off, and use the slots that are open to mount it. Ive never seen on mounted the way you have it. Also, I havent seen anybody install it with the hookups toward the engine either, but that doesnt mean anything.

Jim Becker · Nov 16, 2009

(quoted from post at 01:07:04 11/16/09) That isn't a home-made bracket. It's how they are sold aftermarket. I wasn't able to find a usuable orginal one.

wasn't refering to the aftermarket VR bracket. I was refering to the home-made brace that is holding the top of the generator in place.

Mike CA · Nov 17, 2009

Mike - I know it can't be that mount I sent you, It's from one California tractor to another - GOT to be right! Dan

That's your mount and bracket Dan. I was told it was an after market.

Mike CA · Nov 17, 2009

That isn't a home-made bracket. It's how they are sold aftermarket. I wasn't able to find a usuable orginal one.

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wasn't refering to the aftermarket VR bracket. I was refering to the home-made brace that is holding the top of the generator in place.

That's what I am referring to as well. It's not home made, it's aftermarket. They cut a long grove in it vice a single hole like the originals. Since RustyFarmall mentioned it, I flipped it over with the grove on the inside so it would look maybe partially more original. :?

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