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Two H seat questions

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Mike CA

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First:
How is a flip seat removed from its bracket? My seat is welded, so I thought the regular way to get the seat out was changed. But I checked an old rusty seat I had, and it's the same way. The handle goes all the way through. I don't see how it's removed? (I want to get it off so I can clean and prime the bracket)

Second:
I'm going to replace the seat with a padded seat. I've seen them with silver pads and a white/red pattern. What is the difference? I'm assuming years they were available, so what were those years?

Thanks
 
The silver seat is the correct one for restoration. The red/white one is an after-market item that was not available on H"s from the factory.
 
The seat is assembled as you have found it. To get it out requires destruction of metal parts.
I would not do so unless it it is so worn that it needs to be rebuilt by welding and metal reconstruction. Silver canvas (as pointed out below) is correct. In the archives there is reference to a seat restorer that has the material and does a great job at reasonable cost. Jim
 
Check out ebay for silver canvas seats. I have bought three off there. Best price I found. Run you about $120 including shipping.

Gordo
 
Mike, to save you a search of the archives the person who restores Farmall seats is Darrell Darst. He is also the national president of the IHC Collectors and editor of the Harvester Highlights magazine. His contact information is 18324 Monroe Road 1073, Madison, MO 65263 or email is [email protected]. He truly does a first rate restoration as he has the original tools to re-roll the lip after replacing the padding and canvas cover. His seats are just as original as they were when new as I set in a lot on new Farmall seats back in the 1940's and 50's. As noted by other folks the silver canvas is the original material and color for all that I saw on new tractors from the mid 1940 and on which would include your 1944 model. His charge for restoration of your seat pan is $125 in a primer coat returned to you. You will need to contact him for instructions before shipping your seat to him. You will get your original seat returned to you. His seats are nothing like the reproductions I've seen which are a canvas appearing vinyl, hope this helps, Hal.
 
I greatly prefer the red and white one, The material is diffrent on the silver one and seems less durable, Go for the red and white one, my uncle has an A with the silver seat and it seems like it would absorbe anyting that was wet on it and stain
 
Been too long since I even sat in one of those seats, much less had one apart. I thought that once the 2 pins were out, you could wiggle, tilt and twist those things apart, sort of like those puzzles made with 2 bent nails.

Silver is correct for some years, red/white for no years. Darrell Darst has opened up a lot of those seams and seen the original material. He can guide you on what was used in the year in question.
 

A brand new, made in USA, silver canvas seat for the 4 bolt Monroe is considerably less costly than the original rail style.
 

Is that the 4 bolt style or the rail style? And is it made in the U.S.A.? $120 including shipping is pretty average for the 4 bolt style.
 
Unbolt the locking support bracket where it connects to the seat pipe and you should then be able to rotate the support bracket to get the long arm through the slot in the seat rail. Then undo the bolt at the seat pivot to take the seat off. It seems that the rail under the seat was rivetted to the bottom of the seat though on my W-4 tese were replaced with small machine screws when someone restored the bottom of the seat
 
Silver canvas is fine for your use, the reproduction seats are fine, I have two of them, one canvas, one vinyl. Be aware that the canvas stains very easily, and under heavy use will not last. The canvas on the seat on my dads H lasted less than 3 years with normal use, but for him that was 60 hours/week in some months. Vinyl, although not original, is more durable and easy to clean--I am a semi-purist, if it is better than original I use it, but not as extreme as that BN with the wrong seat. As stated red and white was never a factory option.
 
So paint and seat material that did not exist when tractor was new is OK but a seat that could have come on new tractor when it left dealer is extreme.
 
Yes, except that seat was probably added later, and IH did not intend for them to be used on the A and B, but probably did not care either. Only my opinion, I simply do not care for an H/M seat on an A or B. If Ted does, that is fine with me, obviously the judges did not care about originality. As to the paint, I would rather use something that will not fade, the old alkyd enamel was simply not good paint, and is not good paint now, either, (although it was state of the art in the 40's) nor were many of IH's paint jobs.
 
The Monroe seats were made to fit A and B along with about a thousand (more or less) more tractors. The IH seat that was similar was for H and M and maybe a few more tractors.
 
Ok, Monroe built it for the A and B as noted by Gene Bender in the link. I consider him the authority on offsets. That thread is less than a month old, I must have missed it. Still looks wrong to me. I agree with Gene's "It just ain't a B". Apparantly you lose the serial tag as I don't see the original seat bracket. Platform looks cluttered, there isn't much room on the A and B anyway. If I ever buy one with that seat on it, it gets replaced the day I get it. By the way, as to the "smooth ride" the worst rash I ever got on my bottom was from a Monroe seat on an H, from bouncing all over the place. But, I currently have 4 of them, counting the shock under the seat ones on my 2 C's and M. So, I guess the judges thought that even if it was aftermarket, if it specifically fits the A/B, etc, it was ok. Almost makes me want to join the correct police, but it ain't going to happen. It just changes the apperance too much for me.
Monroe seat
 
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