F-12 versus F-14

LenNH

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Spent more years than I want to count on three
F-12s--one steel, two on rubber. Has anybody out there driven both F-12 and F-14 under the same
circumstances (plowing, discing, etc.) and compared their performance? I would expect the
F-14 to have just enough extra power that it would handle two 12" plows with ease (that is what I pulled with the F-12s on rubber), and maybe two 14" plows without too much trouble.
I'm curious, and would like to read about how the two tractors compare.
 
Outside of sentimental value, why would you want eitheer one? They are too powerless to pull a load and too slow for anything else.
 
the engine speed was increased from 1400rpms to 1650rpms. the gearing was also changed to compensate for the added engine speed and thus geared alittel lower then the F12. This is what gave the F14 alittle more power. other things not dealing with the engine that were changed was the steering wheel was to a higher position and the seat was raised up also. there are other little things that were changed but those were the major ones.
 
(quoted from post at 09:51:16 11/05/09) Outside of sentimental value, why would you want eitheer one? They are too powerless to pull a load and too slow for anything else.

Because they are just plain COOL!! That is why.
 
Len, I have just unstuck an 33' F-12 steel wheels that came with a #90 1 bottom I have driven the tracor runs sweet. Hope I can try it out next spring. Than I can post some pictures.
oldiron29
 
Why would someone on this site ask a question like that? Must be a kook of some sort.

This isn't the "Brand New Tractors" website, it's "Yesterday's Tractor's" you goof.
 

MOT43,
Good to see you are once again making a donkey out of yourself.

Vito
 
Why are you always out to nnalert people off with your stupid remarks, you haven't realized that you aren't making friends that way. Next time you have a thought, do us all a favor, LET IT GO!!
 
(quoted from post at 16:25:56 11/05/09) Spent more years than I want to count on three
F-12s--one steel, two on rubber. Has anybody out there driven both F-12 and F-14 under the same
circumstances (plowing, discing, etc.) and compared their performance? I would expect the
F-14 to have just enough extra power that it would handle two 12" plows with ease (that is what I pulled with the F-12s on rubber), and maybe two 14" plows without too much trouble.
I'm curious, and would like to read about how the two tractors compare.
my grandpa told me when the f-14 came out, the dealer told him they raised the steering wheel and the price. i like both 12s and 14s.
 
Tom,
I have an F12 that I tractor pull with that has 50 hp. My dad's F12 tractor with a Model A Ford transmission in it and it will outrun an H.
 
AndrewZ mentioned a lot, but left out what I consider a huge thing if you have ever driven a 12. The brake levers were raised!!!! They can be a handful in hill country with that steering wheel so low and the hand levers even lower and hard to get at both at the same time. I have pulled a 2-14 plow with my 35 F-12. It did ok but was a little light in the rear end. I also added a large 3 ft dia block of wood to the drawbar and pulled a 3 ft dia 12 ft long ash log up a steep hill of about 18 percent grade and steeper than that in places. It would just spin the tires without the wieght but with the weight she barked all the way to the top with no problems except my ears ringing. I also put it on a dyno one and did a kerosene to gasoline comparison test. It made 13.5 HP on both fuels, but I did lean the carb out when running on kero. All in all, I have been very happy with mine and I do use it quite a bit! Poor girl hasn"t been to a show for several years now because she had to work!
 
"They are too powerless to pull a load and too slow for anything else."

Sounds like a description of you tom.
 
Just a few remarks in reply to "Why would anybody want one?" The F-12 was one of the first, if not THE first, all-purpose tractor (that's what they called "cultivating tractors" back in the 20s and 30s) designed for the small farm. Given the diverse kinds of activities on farms of 100 or 150 acres--some acres of wheat, some of corn, some of hay, no one operation took an enormous amount of time. A farmer with a tractor like this could plow up 20 or 30 acres in the spring in a week or so, disk up same in a couple of days, plant the corn in a few days,cultivate for weeds at a fairly leisurely rate until the corn got too high. International all-purpose tractors had a huge variety of equipment that could be attached to them--cultivators of various kinds, plows of several types, a mounted mower, planters--I can't remember anymore just how many things there were. It took just a few years for farmers to let the horses go and get to doing everything with the tractor. I saw this very thing happen on my father's farm. When it comes to speed, it's true the F-12 could be annoying, but then it was designed originally for steel wheels. Anybody who has ever worked much with a steel-wheeled tractor (with REAL LUGS, not old rubber tires bolted to the rims, as in shows) knows that 4 mph is just about the maximum speed that the driver could stand to be on one of these things, that is, if the surface is a gravel road, or even a hard-packed trail through the farm. All steel-wheeled tractors seem to have been designed to do heavy work at about 3 mph, because above that speed they rapidly start wasting power that is needed to drive the lugs into the ground (engineers call this "rolling resistance"). When the F-12 was converted to rubber, 4 mph did seem pretty slow, especially on the road when you were hauling wagonloads of grain or hay. The 7-mph third gear option would have been great, because the tractor would have had plenty of power for hauling and would have slid over the road from a field a mile away in just a few minutes (most farmers in my young days had old wooden-wheeled wagons, so 7 mph would have been plenty fast on washboard roads). By today's standards, the F-12 does not seem terribly comfortable. Engineers back in the 20s and 30s didn't always pay much attention to "ergonomics." The steering wheel was too low, and the brake levers were too short. Still, on steel wheels, you almost never needed brakes. Push in the clutch and a couple of lugs hitting the ground would fetch 'er right up. The automatic turning brakes also meant that you didn't need to think about brakes, as you do on more modern tractors. My father bought his F-12 new in 1938. I know we used it hard all doing the 40s, and I think he continued to use it up through the 1950s. I don't remember that there were ever any repairs required, except for the inevitable fuel pump diaphragm that needed to be replaced at long intervals (this was true on cars back then, too. the diaphragms were not as durable as they are today). The tractor was actually overbuilt (look at an H and see which of the two tractors has the heavier rear axles). This could have been because it was designed for steel wheels, which are certainly harder on axles, bearings and gears. The engine was "modern" in every sense of the word, with full-pressure lubrication, an excellent and responsive variable-speed governor, and good carburetion. It was also designed to run at a speed that was considered "fast" in the 20s--1400 rpms, upped to 1650 without problems on the F-14. The F-12 was very agile compared to most tractors of its day. I have even trimmed rail fences with a mounted mower (drive forward along one rail, stop, raise (by HAND), back out, turn left, back along the other rail, drop, cut, repeat until your right shoulder can't take the lifting any more). The tractor had a fairly short wheelbase, which only added to the ease with which it could be maneuvered in tight spaces. I wish I had a place large enough to justify owning an F-12, a plow, a mounted mower. It would be a real nostalgia trip to be able to use it once in a while. F-12s were everywhere in the 30s and 40s, at least where I grew up. I know that IHC was really smart in setting up a large number of dealers fairly close to one another, so that farmers would buy from them rather than drive 20 or 30 miles to buy a John Deere, Allis, Oliver or what have you. Still, I think the overall quality of IHC products was one reason farmers were faithful to them, even when they began to appear somewhat outdated. In my opinion (I always say "my humble opinion," but my wife says it's not humble; amazing how opinionated old curmudgeons get, isn't it?), the F-12 was a great tractor, and I've tried to give some of the reasons why I think so.
 
Re-reading these posts as I browse today. The original F-12 on steel was pretty tame, because of all the power lost at the wheels. A gasoline model, on rubber, would pull two 12" plows through thick-and-thin in second gear. We always used it to pull the 7' double-disk that came with the 1929 10-20 that my grandfather had bought in that year. The early IHC advertising literature is not very specific about this, but it "suggests" that 1 16" or 2 12" plows make a normal load. One old piece I have (about 1936) claims that the F-12 can do all the work on a farm of 100 acres or less, or can serve as an auxiliary tractor on larger farms.
 

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