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Do any of you know if a 2pt fast hich can be mounted on an M? Perhaps one off of a 300 to a 450, or whatever that might fit? Thanks.
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soybeanjoe
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The M rearend housings donot have the bosses hat are required to mount a fasthitch though i a guy was handy with a welder he could probably design something. Late SMTAs had the bosses, esrlt SMTAs did not.
Other thing, I have been told that for the SMTAs you need a fasthitch from a 400 or early 450s to bolt up. There was a design change on the late 450s. 300 / 350s have the smaller rearend housing like an H so wouldn't work as do the 460s
Other thing, I have been told that for the SMTAs you need a fasthitch from a 400 or early 450s to bolt up. There was a design change on the late 450s. 300 / 350s have the smaller rearend housing like an H so wouldn't work as do the 460s
Hugh MacKay
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Joe: You've got that backwards, all SMTA will take fast hitch, but it must a draft controlled hitch from 450 or 560. The 400 hitch will not bolt up to an SMTA.
I agree some folks have made adapter plates to mount fast hitch on an M or SM. Personally I wouldn't plan on using it much for heavy work. Just not enough cast or the right engineering in the cast in that M or SM rear end. You can see this in empty rear end cases.
I agree some folks have made adapter plates to mount fast hitch on an M or SM. Personally I wouldn't plan on using it much for heavy work. Just not enough cast or the right engineering in the cast in that M or SM rear end. You can see this in empty rear end cases.
Larry B 1486
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There was a company that made a aftermarket kit for a M & SM 2pt hitch but don't have the literature anymore I did see one on a M down at sikeston mo. years ago and it looked bulky. I had a 3pt hitch kit on my old SMD years ago that worked good. Did not have draft control and had to use guage wheels. You might get a 3pt hit kit and use the 2pt / 3pt hitch arms off a 1206.
Need brackets similar to these to mount a fast hitch with traction control. To mount the one without traction control top mounts and sides would need fabricated. Recomend using the one with traction control because part of the load is handled by the front bracket that bolts where swinging drawbar front mount does. With the other type all load is on the side brackets.
armand tatro
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I have 3pt. hitches on two Farmall M's and back in the 60's we had one on a farmall 400. All after market and we were happy with them. They bolted on to the axel housings. At that time we used a mounted cultivator (sometimes pulling a 4 row planter also) (4 row 40" and 6 row 30") with a couple of weights on the front end so I know the castings will hold up. Now having said that I know the fasthitch from a 450, 460, or 560 will work as good with the brackets that D. Slater shows which were designed by Dan Super27 and you can get a fullscale drawing from him. I would also make axel mounts to take some stress from where the axel housings mount to the rear end. Look in the archives for Dan Super27 to find his pictures and comments. Also the Paul Abbot Co. from Ak. made a aftermarket hitch that could be used as either a fast hitch or a 3pt. I can possibly get an adress for Paul Abbot Co. and I should have Dan Super 27's adress in you want it. Armand
donald schnupper
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I have a good 3 point hitch that was on a farmall 400.
soybeanjoe
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Thanks for the clarification Hugh. I have ben looking for a fasthitch for my SMTA & that was what I was told. Passed on a 560 fasthitch because of that :~(
Is there a difference in the fasthitches on the early 450s compared to the later 450s or are they all the same?
Is there a difference in the fasthitches on the early 450s compared to the later 450s or are they all the same?
For an easy bolt up, get the hitch with two rock shaft arms. That would be 450 and 560. I don't know the serial number transition point between the 400 and 450 type hitches. There may not even be one if the early hitch became obsolete when the 450 came out.
The 400 has only one rockshaft arm. That hitch will fit the SMTA but the forward mounting point for the rockshaft bolts to top of rear frame lid.
I have two SMTAs with 400 fast hitches. I made an adaptor for the rockshaft anchor on one. The other has a 400 rear frame lid. Most people prefer the early fast hitch.
The 400 has only one rockshaft arm. That hitch will fit the SMTA but the forward mounting point for the rockshaft bolts to top of rear frame lid.
I have two SMTAs with 400 fast hitches. I made an adaptor for the rockshaft anchor on one. The other has a 400 rear frame lid. Most people prefer the early fast hitch.
Hugh MacKay
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Joe: Wardner has it right, and he's probably tinkered up as many of these as anyone.
As for changing hitches at model change time between 400 and 450, that may have happened, and maybe not. Once you get into IH you'll find a lot of changes did not occur at model change. For instance, disc brakes suposedly happened at model change between H-SH and M-SM, yet we find disc brakes on some H and M, and they've been there since new.
Take the Super A for example, more changes occured during Super A production than in the rest of the 40 year production of A, SA, SA1, 100, 130 and 140, this includes changes at model change.
I'm sure if you get into a parts book on 400, 450 and 560, there will be serial number breakdowns when those hitches changed.
As for changing hitches at model change time between 400 and 450, that may have happened, and maybe not. Once you get into IH you'll find a lot of changes did not occur at model change. For instance, disc brakes suposedly happened at model change between H-SH and M-SM, yet we find disc brakes on some H and M, and they've been there since new.
Take the Super A for example, more changes occured during Super A production than in the rest of the 40 year production of A, SA, SA1, 100, 130 and 140, this includes changes at model change.
I'm sure if you get into a parts book on 400, 450 and 560, there will be serial number breakdowns when those hitches changed.
soybeanjoe
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Wardner I know that the fasthitch wasn't available from the factory but was available as a "dealer installed" option, or at least tha's my understanding. I would presume that fasthitch would be the one that IH offered for as a "dealer installed" option. If so did the kit come with a mounting adaptor?
We never owned a SMTA back in the '50s, our biggest tractor was a "54 Stage II SM until we purchased a 450 which was equpped with a fast hitch. Never were many 400s in this area, ones that were mostly had drawbars on them. One guy had a SMD-TA with a fasthitch
Thanks for the info. Even though I grew up in that era & have farmed all my life with mostly IH ?CIH equipment there's always new things to learn about them.
Hugh MacKay
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Joe: The official IH dealer retrofit fast hitch for SMTA did not happen until the new 450 hitch was on the market. Beacuse the new hitch was automatic draft control some modification had to be made to SMTA hydraulic controls.
There may well have been dealers that made adaptors for mounting a 400 hitch, but for the most part SMTA fast hitches occured after 1956.
There may well have been dealers that made adaptors for mounting a 400 hitch, but for the most part SMTA fast hitches occured after 1956.
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