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Hugh MacKay

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Could any of you folks enlighten me as to time frame on the various White Demo Farmalls either by date or by serial number. I have never followed the White Demo tractors, and I have an e mail from a guy who seems desperate for this info. I think he's rather upset with on this matter. His tractor is a Farmall C with T date codes.
 
Hugh, Mike has right year but not the hole year
White C Demos only 47010-54411 first 3 months but no one knows if every tractor was white.
So you must have 3 things
A) 1950 cast code T
B) In the serial range
C) white paint under red
To prove it is a demo and you better take alot of picture of the paint.
Oldiron29
 
There was an article in either Red Power or Antique Power about the White Demos. I contacted the author of the article. From the discussion I learned the white Demo Cs fall within a range of serial numbers, but not all Cs within the range were white. In other words there is no record of which specific serial number Cs where painted white. I have two Farmall Cs that fall within the serial number range, but I don't believe either were originally painted white.
I did purchase a Super A cultivator a couple of months ago. The common lift frame was white inside and out. A few sweeps were white on the back side. That's the closest I have been to any White Demo equipment.
K-Mo
 
1st calendar quarter of 1950 is the accepted source. This comes from Richard Lantis (deceased), the son of an IH dealer when they were built, long time IH dealer as an adult. Serial numbers are Cub,99536-106511; Super A, 281269-285298; C, 47010-54411. There may have been a break or two in these numbers that were painted red. The only true test is white paint under the red either easily visible or in out of the way places. I have a original white C with a replacement serial tag that I removed ALL the white paint from and painted red. It won't be sold as a white C, if I ever sell it, mainly because of the serial plate, but I am positive it was originally white.
 
Must be wunna them generational things.

It's gettin' to the point (maybe it's been there for a while) that it wouldn't surprise me to find people painting a tractor white with good paint, distressing that coat, and then distressing a cheap coat of red over it so they can claim they have a Demonstrator.

Honest inquiries are always welcome, and I feel some for those that have been duped into buying a forgery, but there's a lot of folks out there just grasping for some way to make their tractor rare. Saw a picture just this evening of an M demonstrator sitting at a show. Sharp lookin' tractor, if there had ever been such a thing.
 
What year were white demo implements made? I saw a white IH baler in my local boneyard the last time I was there.
 
I think some of the new replacement cultivator parts were painted white at the factory. Actually, there is information somewhere, (I have seen it), documenting dates when certain parts of the entire cultivator attachment were painted with schemes of red, blue, white and black. ie., Some frames were red with plow feet blue. Some frames were blue with plow feet blue........
Just something more to keep us on our toes.
Much of the above applies to some mowers too.
 
Thanks guys for you input on this subject. I have notified the guy in question, where and how he can view your discussion.
 
From time to time my wife will wear white nnalert underneath a red dress but I think of her as and original and not a demonstrator.
 
Agreed.

Lessee. The motor's free but doesn't run well if at all, there's no seat or battery, and he's going to strip the tires and (whaddayawannabet?) the weights off it and put rags on.

And because it has a patch of white on it, it should be a bargain for $4500 cash.

Right.
 
It's gettin' to the point (maybe it's been there for a while) that it wouldn't surprise me to find people painting a tractor white with good paint, distressing that coat, and then distressing a cheap coat of red over it so they can claim they have a Demonstrator.
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That's an awful lot of work for not much reward. I doubt it happens much, if at all.

At most, an unrestored demo is worth a couple hundred more than a normal tractor of equal condition, from what I've seen. It certainly doesn't command the same kind of price premium as a gold demo.

Sure, you see nicely painted white demos for sale at exhorbitant prices, but do they ever sell?
 
I have never seen so much made over $5(1950 price) of white paint. Ugliest IH tractors I have ever seen(only my opinion). That is why my "white" C is red.
 
I have a farmall c sn 53805 on the motor t castings 35113 2-r1 2-10-t L no1 on the deck there is no sn tag on the seat mount someonne put a 2 point hitch on this tractor i no was not availeble until 52 i think but it has white paint under the red i am sure its a demo witch it does not look to me as thouugh its been painted more than twice since it was new i restore old farmalls and have worked on them for 45 years and have never seen one in chenango forks ny so i gues they are rare in my area not that i care i just want to make it original color it was when it was new white will make it good coversation piece to go along with my collection of 10 farmalls from a f12 to a 350 the other thing i would like to know is the leters above the sn are fcmg what do these stand for . Iam not despreate but i like the corect info thanks to all who responded to hugh on this mater TOM THORN IH54
 
WELL ITS YOUR TRACTOR PAINT IT PINK IF YOU WANT BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU NEW HOW TO RRESTORE TRACTORS YOU WOULD MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS WHEN IT WAS NEW IF YOU SPEND FIVE DOLLARS ON PAINT ILL BETT IT LOOKS GOOD
 
I've e-mailed the guy to see if he has documentation that this is in fact a demonstrator. I'd like to see what he says.
 
(quoted from post at 09:33:15 10/06/09) Agreed.

Lessee. The motor's free but doesn't run well if at all, there's no seat or battery, and he's going to strip the tires and (whaddayawannabet?) the weights off it and put rags on.

And because it has a patch of white on it, it should be a bargain for $4500 cash.

Right.
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Dang! My '54 TD18A has white underneath. Maybe it's due to appear in an overpriced ad :lol: They don't need to know about somebody using white primer used during a yellow repaint.

It will be red again some day. :wink:
 
While you're SHOUTING, Tom, I'll gently suggest that (after you let off the CAP LOCK) you, too, may paint your tractor whatever color you like. If you choose to paint it white and doll it up as a demonstrator, it will indeed make a nice conversation piece, as you mention in your post down below.

In the absence of an original and in-place chassis serial number tag, though, that's as far as you could ethically go with it. It's a conversation piece that MIGHT have been a demonstrator.
 
Interesting Hugh
I just had a question from a guy from Renfrew about demonstrators (Farmall C) and it seems he may have one,it meets all the criteria mentioned in this post. I haven't seen it yet, it is not running. I wonder how many white tractors made it to Ontario, and Canada for that matter?
 
Robert: I've never heard tell of a dealer that didn't have at least one demonstrator on inventory. Looking back the demonstrators were a poor buy when new. In the 3-4 years that followed, IH did so many useful upgrades in the Cub, Super A and on to Super C. Like so many others the White Demo was little more than a scam to move obsolete surplus inventory.

You study the date codes on some of these tractors. Some castings were close to 16 months old when used to build a tractor. It wasn't always that way, but you'll find it in late 40, early 50 tractors
 
Tom: Yes, Farmall C engine and chassis serial numbers will be very close, within 5 digits. If it were a SC that would be a different story. Since you have T casting codes, very likely your engine is original.
 
Huh?

Best I can decipher your question, maybe, maybe not. C was different from the earlier A/B series where the numbers matched. On a C they might or might not. As Hugh said, it will be closer than the spread on the SuperCs, but not necessarily identical.
 
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